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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rosbifs" data-source="post: 3478277" data-attributes="member: 35084">At the same time the RSPB 'sitting on the fence' has shot the campaign in the foot because it will constantly be refered to as the body that doesn't want the ban! Who are the 'lay' people going to believe - two 'fanatics' who are trying to promote their ppositions or the organisation with a million members who don't want a ban.In short the pro-lobby did a fantastic political job on the petition and all who sails in her even to the point that the job of introducing the petition was given to a pro-shooter!!!Whether it was house wife or farmers wife I find it outrageous that she would want or need to go out for a weekends beating to put food on the table. I would add that most farmers wife are driving around in Discoverys and are not short of a bob or two.The gamekeepers wifes are not in the same earnings bracket and are those that perhaps don't have the cash! And yet these are the people that this industry supports and pays more than the average wage. Utter balls. Do these people really think that the children in these 'impoverished' areas want to aspire to be a 'beater' for 123 days of the year? Worse do they want to force their children to become lawbreakers/small minority of game keepers.Why aren't there hundreds of Hen Harriers nesting at moor A which doesn't have grouse shooting? Clearly, stopping Grouse shooting will not help the HH! They clearly didn't read the book or know anything about the birds in question!Anyway, as I said they did a job on the debate. The 'anti' were outgunned, I won't say outprepared but certainly blindsided. The 'anti' speakers did a good job but basically nothing they said was believed - there've been scientific studies etc.....Unless the RSPB come out against driven shooting this will go nowhere!!</blockquote>

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