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No Tim the close focus of EL SV isn't going to be reduced, it is going to be increased! I think you meant to say that. This has been extensively discussed elsewhere.

We haven't heard anything about the demise of SLC though and that would be a shock.

Lee


Hi Lee..

The information comes from a trusted source who sells these binoculars for a living.
Yes.. Its a shock about the SLC. The 8 10 and 15x 56 would be a significant loss.
According to the source future FP's will have a reduced close focus so not to compete with the NL.

And before I get criticised for spreading rumours, I can assure you that my source is solid. I'm just passing on what I was told to keep you guys informed....

Cheers Tim
 
Yes.. Its a shock about the SLC. The 8 10 and 15x 56 would be a significant loss.

Wow. The 56s too? The 42s makes sense to me, but I don't understand getting rid of the 56s at all. They aren't competing with any other Swarovskis, and they are the best 56s you can get. Kinda seems like shooting themselves in the foot. Maybe they need the manufacturing capacity from the SLCs to make more NLs?
 
No Tim the close focus of EL SV isn't going to be reduced, it is going to be increased! I think you meant to say that. This has been extensively discussed elsewhere.

We haven't heard anything about the demise of SLC though and that would be a shock.

Lee

Wow. The 56s too? The 42s makes sense to me, but I don't understand getting rid of the 56s at all. They aren't competing with any other Swarovskis, and they are the best 56s you can get. Kinda seems like shooting themselves in the foot. Maybe they need the manufacturing capacity from the SLCs to make more NLs?


My source said the SLC which includes the 56 versions...
But he wasn't specific... It might mean the 56 remains and the 42 is done away with...
I agree. They would be shooting themselves in the foot...
Just passing on what I heard...

Cheers
Tim
 
Miscommunication/misunderstanding. One or the other.

Dennis you know every Swaro dealer gives an automatic 10% discount. Beyond that Swaro gets feisty. I actually admire that.
 
Hi Lee..

The information comes from a trusted source who sells these binoculars for a living.
Yes.. Its a shock about the SLC. The 8 10 and 15x 56 would be a significant loss.
According to the source future FP's will have a reduced close focus so not to compete with the NL.

And before I get criticised for spreading rumours, I can assure you that my source is solid. I'm just passing on what I was told to keep you guys informed....

Cheers Tim

The EL's close focus will be increased, hence the close focus (performance) will be reduced....
 
My source said the SLC which includes the 56 versions...
But he wasn't specific... It might mean the 56 remains and the 42 is done away with...
I agree. They would be shooting themselves in the foot...
Just passing on what I heard...

Cheers
Tim
It would make sense to discontinue the 42mm SLCs now that the price of the 42mm ELs has been reduced, but I do not know if the same will happen to the 56m SLCs, IF they will be discontinued that would be a sign that their place will be taken by the EL 50mm, and that Swaro will introduce 50mm NLs, of course this is just a speculation.
 
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Thank you. What surprised me most is that the reviewer and dealer offering a €300 reduction if you pre ordered.

Sorry for being grumpy, it's too hot for this Brit! I just feel it cheapens, devalues and takes the gloss off an exciting new product

It is not a pré order discount.
In Holland we have the Dutch Birding Protection Society who give 10% discount to members. A membership for one year will cost you 18,00 euro, so do the mathB :)

Jan
 
This is what the author wrote:

"I looked more calmly through the 12 × 42 with support than through a 10 × 42 without support. That shows that it really works. The suggested retail price of the forehead support is € 131.00. With us in the You can set this support in such a way that you can now press the viewer quite firmly against your forehead without straining your glasses. I looked more calmly through the 12 × 42 with support than through a 10 × 42 without support."

First of all, I not sure what the author means by "looking more calmly" but maybe that is the translation. Perhaps someone can give an accurate translation.

In making the comments, the author doesn't say what base he is working from in his test. Can he hold a 10x binocular completely steady or does he experience some shake? I would assume it to be the former otherwise by saying that the 12x with the support is better than the 10x without, could mean that the shake is reduced by comparison, not removed. If like me, you can't hold a 10x unstabilized binocular steady or an 8x for that matter, then the 12x support would probably not be sufficient to reduce the shake to a level to make it suitable for me.

The author also talks about the support being use with glasses but doesn't make it clear as to whether the same beneficial effect can be achieved without.

Denis, for you to make the statement "It sounds like the Head Rest works amazingly well." is stretching what the author actually wrote, in my opinion.

Stan

What Mark, the author and owner of that very specialised and well known shop, was trying to say is that the headrest gives support and stabilizes the image. In Dutch "kalm" (English: calm) means comfortable in this story.

Jan
 
Hi Lee..

The information comes from a trusted source who sells these binoculars for a living.
Yes.. Its a shock about the SLC. The 8 10 and 15x 56 would be a significant loss.
According to the source future FP's will have a reduced close focus so not to compete with the NL.

And before I get criticised for spreading rumours, I can assure you that my source is solid. I'm just passing on what I was told to keep you guys informed....

Cheers Tim

Only the 42's will get out of production.

Jan
 
"I looked more calmly through the 12 × 42 with support than through a 10 × 42 without support."

If the Head Rest makes a 12x more stable than 10x without it that is a huge improvement. Almost like IS in my opinion.

The headrest improvement gets better every time you mention it. Your original comment was that " The Head Rest works amazingly well" which has now morphed into "Almost like IS in my opinion". Oh, can l just ask if in order to justify these statement have you looked through an NL with a Head Rest attached.

Again, like the original author, you are making statements that have no basis from which to judge what you say is correct. IS l assume is image stabilization but that can be described in various forms :-

1. The binocular just held by the arms is the worst form of stabilization and can be considered as a base on which to gauge improvements.

2. The binocular held by the arms and pressed into the glasses, eye sockets or eyebrows.

3. The binocular held by the arms and the hand holding a cap or splayed to the head.

4=. The binocular placed on a finn stick/monopod which is supported by the arms

4=. The binocular held by the arms and with an outrigger head rest to the forehead as per the NL. (Presumed)

6. The binocular held by the arms and fitted with an image stabilization system comprising electronic/mechanical operation. The arms only support the weight of binocular and don't provide much stabilisation.

7. The binocular mounted on a heavy tripod where the arms provide no stabilization.

These are all methods of increasing the stability of the image from the weakest no.1 through to the total stability of no.7. Which one do you mean in your statement and how can you justify it when the original author never mentioned IS?

Stan
 
Only the 42's will get out of production.

Jan

That's as expected and it's good news:
-the SLC 56mm are excellent binos (AK prisms and all that)
-the likely implication is that there will be no NL 50mm, at least not in the "near future" (I don't want any competition for my SVs 50mm).
 
The headrest improvement gets better every time you mention it. Your original comment was that " The Head Rest works amazingly well" which has now morphed into "Almost like IS in my opinion". Oh, can l just ask if in order to justify these statement have you looked through an NL with a Head Rest attached.

Again, like the original author, you are making statements that have no basis from which to judge what you say is correct. IS l assume is image stabilization but that can be described in various forms :-

1. The binocular just held by the arms is the worst form of stabilization and can be considered as a base on which to gauge improvements.

2. The binocular held by the arms and pressed into the glasses, eye sockets or eyebrows.

3. The binocular held by the arms and the hand holding a cap or splayed to the head.

4=. The binocular placed on a finn stick/monopod which is supported by the arms

4=. The binocular held by the arms and with an outrigger head rest to the forehead as per the NL. (Presumed)

6. The binocular held by the arms and fitted with an image stabilization system comprising electronic/mechanical operation. The arms only support the weight of binocular and don't provide much stabilisation.

7. The binocular mounted on a heavy tripod where the arms provide no stabilization.

These are all methods of increasing the stability of the image from the weakest no.1 through to the total stability of no.7. Which one do you mean in your statement and how can you justify it when the original author never mentioned IS?

Stan

I have tried #3 with both 10x and 12x and it works to some extent. I believe your ranking of the forehead rest is quite reasonable, I would rank it slightly lower (between 3 and 4), but this is just a guess.
 
What Mark, the author and owner of that very specialised and well known shop, was trying to say is that the headrest gives support and stabilizes the image. In Dutch "kalm" (English: calm) means comfortable in this story.

Jan

Thanks Jan, that makes more sense.

I'm wasn't trying to question Mark's review particularly and your comment that he "was trying to say is that the headrest gives support and stabilizes the image" I fully agree. But when Denis decided to say it "works amazingly" based on Mark's review I had to challenge him and again when when he said in another post that it is "Almost like IS in my opinion" l did so again.

I've just seen post 877 from Peter PS based on my last post which seems to set out the the capability better than anyone else so far.

Stan
 
Picking up on the comments about the FRP forehead rest . . .

We are of course still waiting on any consensus based on extended field use, as to what increase in image stability can typically be gained
And as with such things, there will presumedly be marked differences between individuals


However, any increase will necessarily be limited, since it’s only establishing a better ‘weld’ between the binocular and the user’s face, i.e.
- an extra point of contact, and
- a greater area of contact

Unlike a Finn Stick (or even a mini version using a squeegee), it doesn't take any significant amount of the NL's weight off the arms
So while the binocular's fit to the face may be more solid, the effect of arm wobble will largely remain

But any support such as the FRP can be used additively e.g. combined with resting the binocular against a tree trunk, a post or the side of a wall
And I suspect that will best show the FRP's stability and convenience advantages, especially when used on the 12x42 NL


John
 
I wonder how long it will take Zeiss to respond to the NL Pure. :brains:
What do you think, Lee ?

I have no inside information on this but SF42 has been around for long enough and SF32 is already different, optically, from the 42, so I can imagine they are well on the way with this.

Lee
 
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