It was also the size of the eyepiece lenses that caught my attention. They reminded me a bit of the eyepiece lenses of the WWII Zeiss 8x60 blc. It's the only binocular I know of with similarly large lenses.
Hermann
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It was also the size of the eyepiece lenses that caught my attention. They reminded me a bit of the eyepiece lenses of the WWII Zeiss 8x60 blc. It's the only binocular I know of with similarly large lenses.
Hermann
Can any of you expert folk instruct me as to the value of extra-large oculars? Will it provide superb eye-relief or something?
They can be covered with highly reflecting highway material (super glow concrete) that make it easier to find your expensive binos in the dark (after extensive owl watching, for instance).
Big eyes are beautiful: :eek!:
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Attempting a serious answer for a change, I guess it must be "ease of view", particularly for people who depend on wearing glasses along with their binocular.
In combination with a long eye-relief it ought to give a very relaxed view (my guess).
Tom
Kevin Purcell
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Larger eye-relief requires larger eyepiece apertures (especially for wide FOVs) hence the bigger oculars. As others have suggested it sounds like the eyepieces in particular have been redesigned this time around (though knowing Swaro ... the whole optical train will have been optimized 
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Helps when looking at older bins to estimate the ER - just look at the oculars (the bigger the better).
And as it's a nice obvious difference anyone can see marketing like to latch on to those. Even if they don't know what they mean.
BTW, there is something to be said for entertainment of giving a pair of bins with large oculars to a novice and seeing the confusion they have with finding the "right end" to look through. Works best with 32mm bins!
).Helps when looking at older bins to estimate the ER - just look at the oculars (the bigger the better).
And as it's a nice obvious difference anyone can see marketing like to latch on to those. Even if they don't know what they mean.
BTW, there is something to be said for entertainment of giving a pair of bins with large oculars to a novice and seeing the confusion they have with finding the "right end" to look through. Works best with 32mm bins!
Here´s another dumb question (and I apologise in advance, I´m sure if I merely searched I could find the answer somewhere. But there´s an American Wigeon down the road from me so I´m in a twitchy rush....). Is the eye-relief a direct result only of the diameter of the ocular lens? If so, would any 22mm ocular on a top-end bin provide as much er as one needs (assuming the viewer isn´t wearing milk-bottles as spectacles)?
). Is the eye-relief a direct result only of the diameter of the ocular lens? If so, would any 22mm ocular on a top-end bin provide as much er as one needs (assuming the viewer isn´t wearing milk-bottles as spectacles)?But chromatic abberation can still be a problem!
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NoSpringChicken
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I think they look fantastic. I don't care whether they are any good or not, they've got me hooked. Why can't more binoculars look as radical as that?
Ron
Omid
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Eye-relief (ER) by itself has nothing to do with the diameter of the occular.
Feild of view (FOV) by itself is not connected to the dimater of the occular either.
However, FOV and ER together set a lower bound for the diameter of the occular: The occular's diameter should be large enough to cover "FOV" degrees when the eye is "ER" millimeters away.
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Dale Forbes
SWAROVSKI OPTIK Austria
I'm confused, so which side of these things do I point at the American Wigeon?
Kevin Purcell
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It all depends how close you are to the American Wigeon ... an reversed bin acts as a rather nice microscope in the field (to take a close up look at an insect or flower).
Kevin Purcell
Well-known member
Ah, Omid, so that's what's mean by the new "flat lenses"
I still think the proposed price is appropriate for Halloween .... $3800.
B'wah Ha Ha Ha Haaaa.
I still think the proposed price is appropriate for Halloween .... $3800.
B'wah Ha Ha Ha Haaaa.
Mike Penfold
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For those who have looked through samples of the new EL's:
Did anyone notice their performance with backlit subjects?
How many detents do the eyecups have, and do they lock?
Mike
Did anyone notice their performance with backlit subjects?
How many detents do the eyecups have, and do they lock?
Mike
jogresh
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Indeed. There are (or were, last time i checked) a staggeringly good and ridiculously cheap pair of 8 x 40 porros which a Swaro rep grudgingly showed me at a conference. I started stocking them where i was working, they sold themselves, i priced them at about 270 quid i think, and importantly that included a hefty 50% profit margin, whereas you're normally looking at 10 - 20% on Swaros. The point is, if you found someone to sell you a pair, you could prob knock the price down a bit!
Cheers.
Dale Forbes
SWAROVSKI OPTIK Austria
Hi Mike,
The prototype New ELs had eye-cups that twist out to two levels - the first to a depth of about that of the current ELs (i.e. further than that of the older ELs that only twisted out a wee little bit), and the second level is much further, creating a much deeper cavity between ocular lens and eye-ball; i presume to take advantage of the eye-relief and fov.
the eye-cups were a slightly different shape to my current ELs so my wife's little casio no longer fits neatly by itself when digibinning, but the snap shot converter works as well as ever.
I tried to challenge the prototype and it came out stunning in every respect. incredible. they really are on to something there.
Happy birding
Dale Forbes
SWAROVSKI OPTIK Austria
I know some of the guys down at Tyrolit and asked them about this.
blank faces
huh?
they didn't really get it.
i think maybe you have to grow up with some expressions for them to mean anything to you. they couldnt see how a grid could possibly be anything other than fabulous.
