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NEW Terra ED 32mm Under Armour Edition Binocular (1 Viewer)

FrankD

Well-known member
The 8x32 Terra ED comes in the same type of display case that the 8x42 Terra ED came in. I know this because in Frank's words, which he has not copyrighted AFAIK; "A Fed Ex truck just drove up to my house this morning.";)

Bob

Boy, you guys really twist this around. It was "A big brown truck just rolled up to my house this morning...." which implies UPS but, since my future step-son now works for Fed-Ex, I guess I can let it slide. ;)
 

brocknroller

A professed porromaniac
United States
John,

Interesting comment about the 3-D effect in the 32mm Terra ED, particularly from a Porro fan.

A few years back on Cloudy Nights, Prof Edz proclaimed that binoculars which have mild field curvature give a better 3-D effect than those that either have a lot of astigmatism at the edges or a high degree of field curvature (the "donut ring"). He said the reason for this was due to having the image on two different planes (sharp in the center, a bit soft at the edges), which creates the illusion of greater depth of field.

The way you described the Terra, with a 75% sweet spot and gradual fall off at the edges, would mesh with Edz's model. However, it doesn't explain why roofs with field flatteners also give that impression since the centerfield and edges are both in focus.

The only midsized roof I experienced a 3-D effect with was the Swaro 8x32 EL WB (non-SV). The barrels are noticeably longer in the EL than most other mid-sized roofs I've tried, which produced an almost 2-D view, particularly the Nikon 8x32 LX and Celestron 8x32 Noble, but I'm not sure if the increase in focal length could cause that difference.

Roofs that showed a good 3-D effect for me include the Nikon 8x42 LX, Swaro 8x32 EL and 8.5x42 EL (non-SVs), ZR 7x36 ED2, and Celestron 8x42 Regal LS (it even had overlapping barrel shadows at close focus like a Porro).

Mark didn't find a good 3-D effect in the ZR 7x ED2, but I did, at least at a distance, and compared the ED2 to my 8x30 EII in that regard. I was surprised to find that while looking at a group of students who are talking in a circle at a distance of about 200 ft., the ED2 showed better separation of the students who were closer to me (backs turned towards me) and the others a bit farther away (facing me). I must have compared the views 10 times, because I couldn't believe it. Since both bins had field curvature at the edges, I attributed the greater 3-D effect in the ED2 to the 7x magnification, which has greater DOF than 8x. At distances of about 75-100 ft. or closer, I felt the EII showed more 3-D effect.

As a Porro fan, I do enjoy their naturalistic 3-D effect (except at close focus where it doesn't look natural and creates overlapping barrel shadows) and would like to see that in more roofs.
 
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Kammerdiner

Well-known member
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Mark didn't find a good 3-D effect in the ZR 7x ED2, but I did, at least at a distance, and compared the ED2 to my 8x30 EII in that regard.
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Brock,

Yup, I almost went back to edit that one. It's not really a Y/N phenomenon but I simplified things. Lower magnification does have an effect, but since I'm mostly hooked on 8x it occurs to me that there's something else going on when one 8x roof seems to have more "3D" than another. I don't really know what it is though.

Mark
 

David in NC

Well-known member
Just now got around to reading the entire review here John and wanted to thank you for posting. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experiences here.

David
 

John Dracon

John Dracon
Brock - You mentioned my comment about a 75% sweet spot in the Terra. That should not be taken as gospel by anyone. That is how it appeared to me. Someone else may find a lesser percentage, and of course I have created a question on how the sweet spot was defined. My technique was using a very solid mounting system (Bogen 3021 tripod on a concrete floor with the 3265 head (pistol grip mounting on a ball) which allowed me to pan side ways and vertically as I moved the binoculars to look at the USAF charts described in an earlier post while looking for distortion occurring from the center. The binoculars were mounted on Zeiss's tripod mount. It accommodates roofs very well; the porros require more balancing, but it can even handle the 15x60 armored model. The distance to the charts was 30 ft. (front of binoculars to distant wall) in a constant lighted room. Assigning a percentage was really a "guess". When the lines, numbers, and the print on the charts became less distinct, I assigned an estimated distance from the center of the field to that point. The Terra could read everything on the charts, but as the images softened at the edge of the field, they were readable, probably because my visual memory was plugging it. Our eyes are really the variable and the optics the constant. Peripheral differences from person to person may factor in. I really don't know. I certainly don't want the reader to accept my experience as having universal application.


There was one phenomenon I noticed when I backed away a few inches from the oculars. The details suddenly sharpened. Like a camera lens being stopped down. One thing I learned from this exercise is that my initial setting for the right ocular needed some more tweaking.

I would be interested hearing from others about the Terra's sweet spot.

John
 

John Dracon

John Dracon
Folks - I said I would get some comments down about the Under Armour harness coming with the Terra 8x32. How long Zeiss will include this in their package is anyone's guess. The old cliche about a picture being the equal of a thousand words immediately comes to mind trying to describe this apparatus. Go to www. Under Armour Harness. com for a look. It lists for almost $30. The picture will give you a general idea what to expect when your Terra arrives.

Now the reader (hopefully) will excuse me for injecting some humor in my description. Most experienced binocular users have tried harnesses out. They either like them or hate them. I have three in my collection. They will end up in a garage sale. This one might not. The UA harness has several interesting features, however. One is on the back side with two soft gel-like strips running lengthwise. These do have a function. It keeps enough friction against clothing to keep the harness in place. That is a plus. Secondly, the strips have some stretch to them. One can adjust the harness to be like a conventional strap over the neck, or one can carry it over the shoulder, or use it as a regular harness. Thirdly, the strap material is very thin, about one (1) mm, and it can we worn under a jacket with little bulk.

Saving the best for last. How does one hook up your binoculars to it? With some difficulty, particularly for the digitally "challenged" user. Included in the kit are two pieces, one attached to the end of the harness. It look like a very small carabiner with a spring loaded latch. It is very well made. The other is a piece of flexible cloth (very strong) which looks like a flattened propeller with two holes punched through near the end. It is pushed through the eyelets or lugs on the side, The carabiner nose is then pushed through the holes, and there you have it. You can't avoid using this step, however, because the nose of the carabiner is too broad to snake though the eyelet gap, unlike most clips on harnesses. It is not quick detachable but once there it is functional.

Should you go to a mirror and look at yourself, you may or may not like the contrasting color of the straps, described by UA as "high land buff", and the large, black lettering spelling out Under Armour making you a walking advertisement. UA even mentioned the camouflage pattern on the back side. Let's get this straight. A camouflage pattern on material which can't be seen? Oh well.

Should you go to the mirror as I did wearing the harness, it immediately brought up an old memory. I attended a very small high school called Buffalo in the center of Montana. I'm not making this up. Our total enrollment the year I graduated was 19, nine girls and ten boys in all four grades. When the junior-senior prom came along one boy had to roam to a neighboring high school to find a date. I was living on a ranch working for my room and board plus $25 a month, and when the blizzards blew in, the roads were shut down. Several times I had to ride a horse to town. Distance? Nine miles. Today, that would make headlines. Not back then. Starting out in below zero weather with a balky horse and drifting snow was a challenge. Nothing is colder than a leather saddle in sub-freezing temperatures. It was ride a little and walk a little to get the numb out of the legs.

But the challenge was not an ordeal but an adventure to me. And the difference between an ordeal and an adventure is often no more than one's attitude. Had the horse become crippled, I stood the chance of dying from exposure. but I didn't.

There were several town families who boarded me, sometimes for several weeks. They passed me around because as one person put it, I ate too much.

But back to the mirror story, the Buffalo High basketball team had just received new uniforms. The ones we had been wearing were over twenty years old, and the one-time blue was faded and thread bare. We were down in the locker room putting them on and looking at ourselves in the mirror. One of my teammates was admiring himself as he stood in front of the mirror and suddenly yelled out, "Hey coach, they sewed my numbers on backwards." The rest of us started laughing, and he kept looking down on his chest to make sure they weren't.

Needless to say, none of us became Rhodes scholars.

John
 

Troubador

Moderator
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John

You are, without a doubt, Bird Forum's very own Garrison Keillor.

Thanks for posting. Don't feel you have to stop just because you run out of things to write about the Terra. :t:


Lee
 

brocknroller

A professed porromaniac
United States
Boy, you guys really twist this around. It was "A big brown truck just rolled up to my house this morning...." which implies UPS but, since my future step-son now works for Fed-Ex, I guess I can let it slide. ;)

I hope a big brown truck rolls up to your house with an 8x32 Terra ED next week so we can read your comparo between the Terra and Maven.

Btw, do you realize you captured a UFO at the end of your "Snow Geese on a winter sunset" video?

Frank's Snow Geese UFO
 

FrankD

Well-known member
Cute Brock. Reflections can be misleading. Thank you for looking at my YouTube digiscopd go videos. If it wasn't raining I would be out there taking more of them.

Wish I could get my hands on a Terra 32 right now but it will probably have to wait until next month when I hit the Cape May Optics sale.
 
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scobrown

Active member
Very interested in this pair. I am hoping maybe someone could directly compare them to the Monarch 7 8x42, as well as the M7 8x30. Field of view on all is similar, I'm wondering mostly about: eye relief, sweet spot, overall feel/build quality, feel and movement of focuser. I have handled the M7s and the Terra 8x42. Back then, I liked the M7s much more, largely because they seemed more apparently bright and, notably, the focuser was good -- the Terra was simply toooooo fast.

I also have a pair of Nikon LXL 10x25s I use as my daily pair right now -- I love them and find their sharpness/clarity fantastic; their field of view, while tight, still amazes me in terms of lack of blackouts, etc., for their size. If anyone can use these as a reference to any comparisons with the Terra, that would be welcomed as well.

One big thing driving my interest in the new Terras is Nikon switch in warranty -- the Zeiss warranty seems much better. Do they cover the Terras the same as their other non-China products?
 

John Dracon

John Dracon
Scobrown - I hesitate to "opine" on your question about the Nikon LX 10x25 v. the Terra. I have inflicted enough of my opinions on the readers of this thread, but will tell you that I purchased the LX when it first came out and used it extensively. Optically, superior to any of the alphas of same generation. Ergonomically, the double hinge and focusing with the little finger didn't "resonate" with me. Young rancher with elk on his property talked me out of them. He loves them. But he has expressed some dissatisfaction in early morning and late evening use. 2.5 exit pupil versus 4. Not for shaky old folks. Very hard to make meaningful comparison with the Terra. I believe you would be the best judge of that. Top Nikon piece v. 3rd. tier Zeiss newcomer. The Monarch 7 in any format are good binoculars.

John
 

scobrown

Active member
Thanks, John. I appreciate the feedback.

Do you, or any one else, have direct comparison of the M7(s) to the new Terra? I had been drawn more to the 8x42 M7, due to the flocking issues with the 8x30s and so as not to duplicate my 10x25s too much (size wise). Where does the Terra 8x32 fit size wise in this mix?
 

kkokkolis

Περίεργο&#
I have the 8x42 Terra and really like it. I would appreciate a side by side picture with the 32 if someone has both. I consider 10x32 as a portable option (I drive a 13 years old Hyundai). :)
 

John Dracon

John Dracon
Have looked at the M7s in stores. The Terra 8x32 wasn't in stock then, so could make no comparisons. Looking at a Nikon 2015 catalog, the M7s come in four powers, 8x30 & 10x30, both dimensionally L&W 4.7x4.8; the 8x42 @ 10x42, both dimensionally L&W 5.6x5.1. The LX 10x25 L&W is 4.4.x4.3. The Terra 8x32 is L&W 4.9x4.3.

Of course the LX folds up to a thinner package and weighs 10.5 oz. compared to the Terra at 17.9 oz. Hope this helps.

John
 

arran

Well-known member
I had the occasion to give a quick look at the terra 32 ed and could compare it with the conquest.
Most important differnces
The terra had more a tunnel like vision , was less bright and by way not so smooth in the focus drive.
I did not like this bin at all , not even for the prive tag.
The conquest on the other side could eventually convince me
 

John Dracon

John Dracon
Folks - Continuation of assessment of Terra 8x32 with the Terra 8x42 plus other selected binoculars listed below.

I added the other binoculars to see how their brightness would compare to the Terras in pre-dawn and post-dusk observations. This took many hours of my time, but it was worth it to me because some of my assumptions about certain models were not validated, and there were some surprises.

The Terra 8x42 was subjected to the same resolution tests I put the Terra 8x32 through described in post #85. I had to borrow a Terra 8x42 from a town friend because my purchase of that model went to a niece about a year ago. With all the variations in identical models being reported on this web site, I can only say I had only one model of each binocular to use. All observations were taken from a rock solid tripod using Zeiss's binocular holder to help reduce motion.

Midway through my assessment I decided to add a variable, viz., the use of three different "extenders" to see how resolutions would hold up as exit pupils began to shrink. These three were: Zeiss's 3x12 B extender, Bushnell's 2.5 Elite extender, and Bushnell's 2.5 Booster which attaches on the objectives. I'll elaborate on their performance at the end of my assessment.


(7 power)
Bushnell 7x50 Bino-Foto
Canon 7x35
Zeiss Dyalyt 7x42 BGAT

(8) power
Terra 8x32
Terra 8x42
Nikon 8x32 SE (porro)
Leupold Cascade (porro) 8x42
Kern 8x30 IF 1977 (porro)
Zeiss 8x30 B (porro) monocular

(10 power)
Nikon E11 10x35 (porro)
Nikon 10x70 (porro)

(12 power)
Nikon SE 12x50 (porro)

(15 power)
Zeiss 15x60 BGAT (porro)

Terra 8x32 v. Terra 8x42 - The 8x42 was a little brighter in low light situations as expected with the exit pupils being 4 mm/5.25. That extra 10 mm of objective lens does make a difference. And the larger pupil of the 8x42 allowed easier eye placement when things got dim. Both models surpassed all other models in brightness and details other than the Nikon 10x35, the Nikon 10x70, the Nikon SE 12x50, and the Zeiss 15x60 BGAT.

The covering of the 8x42 is black and compared to the 8x32 more apt to require a firmer grip. The 8x32's covering has a less slippery surface, and its color combinations are IMO more pleasing to the eye. Both models have identical eyecups, robust and comfortable, with four stops, one being when the eye cups are flat against the body. Focus speed is significantly different with the 8x42's focusing knob rotating 1.5 times to the 8x32 1 time. This made the 8x42 more difficult to tweak to get that ultimate view. This was most noticeable when the extenders were being used. The 8x42 has more bulk and weighs almost a half pound more than the 8x32. In terms of resolution, I could see little difference except in very low light situations. Both focused closer than the specifications listed by several inches (front of objective to target) The diopter adjustment are identical located on the right ocular barrel. Movement requires some finger pressure. No slop at all. The FOV of course favors the 8x32 by 29 feet, 404 to 375. If mobility were a high priority, I would recommend the 8x32. For all day use including after sunset and pre-dawn, I would recommend the 8x42. Neither is an alpha but at the same time they should satisfy a large number of users.


Higher power was expected to show more detail than the Terras, even with dated coatings. The real surprise to me was the performance of the Nikon 10x35 and particularly the Nikon SE 12x50. The latter held right up to the Zeiss 15x60 to darkness. The SE 12x50 I feel is in a class by itself as a 12 power. I also believe the Nikon 10x35 is a very under rated binocular even with its 3.5 exit pupil. For the person who can handle 10 power binoculars, its light weight and resolution and dim light ability will be useful in birding. Zeiss's discontinued 15x60 BGAT (sob!) with the Terras new coatings would be wonderful. I expected Nikon's 10x70 to really shine with its huge 7 mm exit pupil. It was good but the Nikon 10x35 EII pushed it. Better coatings I believe.

The other binoculars performed as expected. The Bushnell 7x50 Bino-Foto is the only 7x50 I have seen with the Nikon SE 8x32 resolution, sharp across the entire field. It was not as bright as the Terras. My beloved Zeiss 7x42 BGAT, even with its 6 mm exit pupil was not as bright, but in normal daytime use, its wonderful wide field and colors trump almost anything. The Canon 7x35 is one of those second Canon models which is very, very good, better than the B&L Zephyr. It faded too, along with the Kern 8x30 IF with its Leica lens, but both handled low light better than expected. The Leupold Cascade, which is just a clone of Opticron's 8x42 HD WP, and the Minox 8x44 porro, performed well in the low light situations, but it did not surpass the Terra 8x42. The little Zeiss 8x30 B made in the 1970s was surprising clear until after sunset. The Nikon 8x32 SE is less bright than either Terra, but it is still the resolution champ in my collection.

Bringing the extenders into use was fun. I could use the Bushnell Booster 2.5 because a machinist friend of mine has made adapters for all my binoculars, including the Zeiss 15x60 BGTA. It provides a superior FOV and excellent resolution when used. The Bushnell Elite 2.5 fits the Terras like a glove and the center resolution is decent. I had more fun using the little Bushnell 3x12 extender because it required some improvisation to fit certain binoculars such as the the Zeiss 15x60 BGAT. Its rubber eyecups are stiff enough to allow the 3x12 to be pushed in the cup securely enough to use for a quick peek or two. The Zeiss 3x12 has the ability to tweak the image just a tiny bit because it adds a second focusing system to the view. It then become as 45 power spotting scope. Not bright but still able to read highway sign letters 5 inches high from a distance of 3 miles.
The 3x12 extender can be used with the Terra eye cups fully extended. Just do one wrap of 3M auto super strength molding tape (03609) around the base and insert. It will do no damage and align perfectly with the center of the ocular lens.

Enough. Before the power goes off and I lose this post.

John
 

John Dracon

John Dracon
Folks - the focusing speeds for the Terras were transposed. One revolution for the 8x42 and 1.5 revolutions for the 8x32. Sorry for the mix up.

John
 

ceasar

Well-known member
Folks - the focusing speeds for the Terras were transposed. One revolution for the 8x42 and 1.5 revolutions for the 8x32. Sorry for the mix up.

John

Hi John,

I thought so and was going to recheck mine! Just to be sure. ;)

I enjoyed the review! Will read it again in the morning.

Bob
 

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