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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kabsetz" data-source="post: 1641313" data-attributes="member: 10167">Ilkka,I also had the 25-50x to try for a short time, and pretty much had similar experiences about eye-placement/kideny beaning. It'll be interesting to see your photos.Unfortunately I did not have the chance to try it in both ATS/M and AT scopes side-by-side, but the impression I was left with was that the blackouts were more severe with the 'green' scopes and rather manageable with the 'gray' scopes. Gray scope owners who tried the e.p. usually reacted with something like: "Oh ****, I really don't have the money for this but I guess I must start saving up."Kimmo</blockquote>