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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kevin Purcell" data-source="post: 1711800" data-attributes="member: 68323">The question was more not that there is "optical redesign" as clearly thre is some changes because the glare is supposed to be reduced and the scope does weight a few ounces more. But clearly this isn't a "start from scratch" redesign probably more of a extensive series of tweaks.Having recently used a 85 FL on teh CBC (Lotutec version maybe 2 years old with a Vario EP) and noticed no yellow bias. And recently bought a second hand pre-Lotutec 65 FL (and Hyperion Zoom plus various 1.25" astro EPs) and noticed just a little warmish bias. I suspect this is due to changes in coatings over time and is perhaps more emphasized when you have both older "tubes" and older Varios.  Add that to personal sensitivities and you can see why we have such a range of perceptions of the scopes color bias. Still I was susprised given the "neutral to cold" view of the Zeiss FL bins and the slightly warmer views of both scopes (though I'd say the 85 I tried was close to neutral).It also made me more cognizant of color biases in a couple of other ED scopes I own -- perhaps haps more stacking them up and looking through them one after the other to see the effect. Clearly I need a Kowa or a Swaro as a reference <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />And yes the Meopta "yellow bias" connection crossed my mind too!Sancho: how old is your 85 FL? If others want to chime in perhaps collecting serials (as we did for Nikon SEs) might clarify things a bit.Zeiss seem pretty cognizant of ER so I doubt that's something they'd drop for the extra zoom especially in the mid range where you really need to.It is interesting though that Swaro and Leica have zigged (with 25x-50x "double" range zooms and long ER at all settings) and Zeiss have zagged to "more than triple" 20x-75x and I (hope) acceptable ER at all zooms.I guess which the folks prefer will become clear.</blockquote>

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