New Zeiss Victory SF !!!!!! (1 Viewer)

[mjensen6577]

James,

AFAIK no brand uses exclusively Schott glass in a model.

You can't say that Zeiss owns Schott.

You should consider (like Ernst Abbe did) Schott a co-founder of the Carl Zeiss Foundation.
In 2008 Schott their generated global sales was 2.23 billion euro's of which 73% came from outside Germany.
They developed in 130 years from a glass laboratory to a technology group with up and about 18,000 employees of which 8,000 work in Germany.

How much people work at Zeiss?

Jan

Appx 25,000 currently.

 

[mjensen6577]

Appx 25,000 currently.

This is global number in all Carl Zeiss AG groups that include Semiconductor division, Microscopy, Industrial Measurement Technology Division, Vision Lens Division, Photo, Sports Optics, SMT and numerous smaller groups

 

[jan van daalen]

This is global number in all Carl Zeiss AG groups that include Semiconductor division, Microscopy, Industrial Measurement Technology Division, Vision Lens Division, Photo, Sports Optics, SMT and numerous smaller groups

Hello Mike,

Do you know the global number of all employees under the Foundation umbrella?

Jan

 

[ceasar]

There are 14 Schott Glass plants in North America. One of them is less than 20 miles from where I live. The 2nd link is a recent press release about the plant. The release states that the "Schott Group" has a work force of 15,400 people.

http://www.us.schott.com/english/locations.html

http://www.us.schott.com/english/news/press.html?NID=560&freturl=/english/company/index.html

Bob

 

[Sagittarius]

Zeiss does own Schott, according to Wikipedia.

"Sole shareholder of SCHOTT AG is the foundation Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung, Germany".

 

[james holdsworth]

Wholly owned or not, part of the Zeiss group.

Therefore - Swaro. owes much of it's success to [it's] use of Zeiss [group] lenses and prisms.

Go Zeiss [group]! And shame on Swaro for outsourcing!

 

[Troubador]

"Sole shareholder of SCHOTT AG is the foundation Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung, Germany".

Hi Sagittarius.

The point is that Schott is not owned by Zeiss Sports Optics which is who we all mean on Bird Forum, when we talk about Zeiss.

Schott AG is, as Gary points out, and as you indicate Sagittarius, owned by the Zeiss Foundation. Within this structure, Schott is quite separate from Zeiss Sports Optics.

Put it like this: if I was a manager at Schott and Zeiss Sports Optics came to me and asked me to withdraw supplies from Swaro for any reason, I would tell them to take a hike. Of course I would want to help a sister company but if I said yes to this request it would be impossible to refuse the next request from Sports Optics and I could not accept putting the development of my business at risk by becoming Sports Optics' enforcer.

Lee

 

[Troubador]

Wholly owned or not, part of the Zeiss group.

Therefore - Swaro. owes much of it's success to [it's] use of Zeiss [group] lenses and prisms.

Go Zeiss [group]! And shame on Swaro for outsourcing!

LOL LOL LOL :-O :-O :-O :-O :-O

James, you're killing me:eek!:

More please.

Lee

 

[jan van daalen]

Wholly owned or not, part of the Zeiss group.

Therefore - Swaro. owes much of it's success to [it's] use of Zeiss [group] lenses and prisms.

Go Zeiss [group]! And shame on Swaro for outsourcing!

James,

You are killing me:-C:-C:-C

No more PLEASE!!

Jan

 

[henry link]

Not so long ago Henry was very rude to me. Hence I was not inclined to phrase my post more delicately.

Sorry to revisit an earlier digression, but I haven’t been keeping up much lately. I’m seeing now that I stand accused of “rudeness” toward Leif and I’ve been made the poster boy for the lab coats.

So far I haven’t seen anything on this thread that would cause me to change how I test binoculars. This is a hobby after all, so I’m only keen to do what’s fun and for me that’s gathering information about optical performance by applying some of the classical techniques of telescope testing to binoculars.

If anybody has any questions about some method I use please ask me about it. If I can be convinced it’s flawed or irrelevant I’ll be more than willing to change. However, I’m not going to be baited into what I know will be an unpleasant exchange by responding to Leif’s openly hostile post. If anyone is interested in knowing how I was “very rude” to him “not so long ago”, the entire incident is contained in this thread from February 2013.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=249992

 

[jan van daalen]

There are 14 Schott Glass plants in North America. One of them is less than 20 miles from where I live. The 2nd link is a recent press release about the plant. The release states that the "Schott Group" has a work force of 15,400 people.

http://www.us.schott.com/english/locations.html

http://www.us.schott.com/english/news/press.html?NID=560&freturl=/english/company/index.html

Bob

Oeps, that is not good news.
Going from 2.23 billion EURO to 2.5 billion US$ in less than 5 years.

Maybe Swaro should jump in

 

[Sagittarius]

Thanks for the explanation, Lee. |=)|

Heard that Swarovski used to produce their own glass in the past and has since used Japanese and Schott glass.
Leica has used Japanese glass for many years, along with Schott.
Isn't the glass used in the Zeiss Terra Asian ?
Also heard Nikon does not make their own sports optics and outsources everything.

 

[dalat]

Isn't the glass used in the Zeiss Terra Asian ?

Zeiss advertises the Terra's as having Schott glass: http://www.zeiss.co.uk/sports-optics/en_gb/lifestyle/terra.html But of course it could be still Asian, e.g. from the Schott factory in China :-O

Anyway, this comment still sums up the whole discussion best:

Really, all this essentialism about materials and place of origin is pretty silly--it just makes us tools of marketing.

 

[ceasar]

Thanks for the explanation, Lee. |=)|

Heard that Swarovski used to produce their own glass in the past and has since used Japanese and Schott glass.
Leica has used Japanese glass for many years, along with Schott.
Isn't the glass used in the Zeiss Terra Asian ?
Also heard Nikon does not make their own sports optics and outsources everything.

Nikon has its own glass making subsidiary.

http://translate.google.com/transla...otf=1&u=http://freshakita.exblog.jp/13810591/

And

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/01/26/t...kari-glass-is-where-nikon-glass-is-made.aspx/

And I have my doubts about your rumor about Nikon outsourcing ALL of their binoculars. Do you have proof of that?

Bob

 

[jan van daalen]

Thanks for the explanation, Lee. |=)|

Heard that Swarovski used to produce their own glass in the past and has since used Japanese and Schott glass.
Leica has used Japanese glass for many years, along with Schott.
Isn't the glass used in the Zeiss Terra Asian ?
Also heard Nikon does not make their own sports optics and outsources everything.

Swarovski melts down 30,000 kg glass every day en put lead in it ( a secret procedé of 2% more than the competition can) and call it Bleikristal. This is Swarovski Crystal!!

I never heard that Swarovski Optik ever made optical glass for their optics. In the past they were big in spectacle glasses en maybe from those days that story comes from.

Jan

 

[james holdsworth]

James,

You are killing me:-C:-C:-C

No more PLEASE!!

Jan

Every Swaro sold adds to the coffers of the Zeiss Group - it's all good!:t:

 

[jan van daalen]

Every Swaro sold adds to the coffers of the Zeiss Group - it's all good!:t:

James,

Which part of "No more please" didn't you understand?

Jan

 

[brocknroller]

James,

AFAIK no brand uses exclusively Schott glass in a model.

You can't say that Zeiss owns Schott.

You should consider (like Ernst Abbe did) Schott a co-founder of the Carl Zeiss Foundation.
In 2008 Schott their generated global sales was 2.23 billion euro's of which 73% came from outside Germany.
They developed in 130 years from a glass laboratory to a technology group with up and about 18,000 employees of which 8,000 work in Germany.

How much people work at Zeiss?

Jan

But you could say that The Carl Zeiss Foundation owns Carl Zeiss:

The Carl Zeiss Foundation - An Unusual Business Organization
The Carl-Zeiss-Foundation is:

A foundation (not a non-profit organization)
The sole shareholder of SCHOTT AG and CARL ZEISS AG

Schott company facts

As to how many people work at Zeiss, that would be 24,000 around the globe including Stephen Ingraham.

/Carl_Zeiss_Annual_Report_English_Complete.pdf

Brock

 

[jan van daalen]

But you could say that The Carl Zeiss Foundation owns Carl Zeiss:

The Carl Zeiss Foundation - An Unusual Business Organization
The Carl-Zeiss-Foundation is:

A foundation (not a non-profit organization)
The sole shareholder of SCHOTT AG and CARL ZEISS AG

Schott company facts

As to how many people work at Zeiss, that would be 24,000 around the globe including Stephen Ingraham.

/Carl_Zeiss_Annual_Report_English_Complete.pdf

Brock

Brock,

Just for the record;
With Zeiss you mean the Zeiss Foundation, which includes Schott?
That would imply that more than half of the employees work at Schott and they contribute more than half to the Foundations total turnover.
Is this a correct interpretation of all those figures?

Jan

 

[mjensen6577]

But you could say that The Carl Zeiss Foundation owns Carl Zeiss:

The Carl Zeiss Foundation - An Unusual Business Organization
The Carl-Zeiss-Foundation is:

A foundation (not a non-profit organization)
The sole shareholder of SCHOTT AG and CARL ZEISS AG

Schott company facts

As to how many people work at Zeiss, that would be 24,000 around the globe including Stephen Ingraham.

/Carl_Zeiss_Annual_Report_English_Complete.pdf

Brock

To my knowledge, my 25,000 estimate does not include foundation companies, but only Carl Zeiss AG companies. A good question tho that I ned to confirm.