New Zeiss Victory SF !!!!!! (1 Viewer)

[perterra]

Brock:

I think you have summed things up nicely. Whet the appetite of those looking for a new
optic, as mentioned above it happens with scopes, etc.

Then announce a date that they will be available, and knowing full well, that they will not be .

Those thinking about a new model, then stop and wait, and think, I should check out that new model.

Just a marketing ploy, and Zeiss seems to be not alone.

I agree, wait, don't be the first in line. Be patient, the first ones may have bugs.

Jerry

I'm not sure it is 100% ploy. Maybe likely the pressure to stir up some buzz and being very optimistic about a delivery date. If everything goes according to plan they hit their mark, one supplier has a bad run at this stage and everything is off. The whole thing could be held while they re-engineer new eye cups.

If they arent close to 100% when they hit the market now, the few who have one with a problem will be all over the internet with a 100 different screen names blasting them as junk. Then all the fan boys from different brands will add to it, then the make believe posters will start in. I would bet there is an amazing amount of pressure from marketing to get these new ones out the door but it wont happen until it's as close to perfect as you can make it. They dont want a Bushnell legend focus ring breakoff on a $2600 glass,

 

[perterra]

Judging by the daily activity in this thread, I would say that the Zeiss marketing team is more than likely very happy. How many of you have a pair on order ?

I bet you are right.

 

[NDhunter]

Judging by the daily activity in this thread, I would say that the Zeiss marketing team is more than likely very happy. How many of you have a pair on order ?

Good question, my estimate is just a small handful have preordered,
from the active posters I see on the forum.
That means I could count them on 2 hands.

So I suppose those inclined could respond.

Jerry

 

[Sagittarius]

Said it before, already, but I would only be interested in an SF at 12 power and above.
Hope that happens next year. :t:

 

[brocknroller]

I'm not in marketing and I've forgotten the reason why (it has been discussed in photography fora), but actually, very early product release announcements, pre-release announcements, and announcements of impending announcements of pre-release announcements _have_ become SOP in the world of cameras and camera lenses. These announcements are done so early that the expected release dates are very often revised. I'm so used to it, these days I am actually surprised when something is released on time. I doubt the delays very often have anything to do with customer feedback. More likely it is about solving problems of efficient production, or sometimes patent issues. Like how long have we been waiting for the modular Nikon Monarch Fieldscopes now? Over a year I think. They used to be listed with prices on the B&H website, but now it just says "no longer available." Meanwhile, supplies of all of Nikon's other (previous, discontinued) top-end scopes have dried up, so they aren't selling anything! I doubt that is part of the marketing strategy!

--AP

It seems to have mixed results in the case of Zeiss. That is, on one hand, the announcement has stirred the pot, people are talking about the SF, but the delay also has some people disappointed (though not as many as with the HT). With the HT, some people were beginning to diss Zeiss for the long delay. I notice Zeiss doesn't have a "late clock" this time counting down how long the SF has been delayed like they did with the HT. I thought that was a marketing boner.

I'd like to see them make a "late clock" with Chernobyl. The reactor core has been exposed for 28 [email protected]! They started building a giant arch that was supposed to enclose the plant, but it was never completed, so it's still a "hot zone."

I can understand why a company might share the release date of a product with authorized dealers, so they can clear out their old inventory (though that doesn't really apply in this case since it's not a replacement model), but they should tell the dealers to keep mum until the company itself is ready to make a public announcement.

When Zeiss hires me to run their marketing program, I will institute some changes. :smoke:

Brock

 

[cnick6]

FYI, now B&H shows the 8x42 SF model as being available on JAN 5, 2015... perhaps some more engineering changes?

 

[Chosun Juan]

http://instagram.com/p/tIIr5FFikC

SF on PhotoKina

Very informative - Not !

Again with the "best birding binocular" stuff !! *smacks head rolls eyes smilie*

Shouldn't that, ummm, be you know ..... like ---- decided by an independent arbiter ?!

Like, ummmmm ...... I dunno, the #@*^%$! buying public !!

Can not wait for the legal injunctions to start flying around ...... :brains: :king: 3


Chosun :gh:

 

[garymh]

Would love to know what kind of legal injuctions will be flying around.

:smoke:

 

[Swissboy]

Good question, my estimate is just a small handful have preordered,
from the active posters I see on the forum.
That means I could count them on 2 hands.

So I suppose those inclined could respond.

Jerry

It's always good to remain informed. I have no immediate need to replace my FL, but I have repeatedly been contemplating whether my wife's 10x40 original Victory would need a replacement. Though I'd think a x32 would then be more appropriate.

 

[HighNorth]

I have seen the distortion Characteristics in the 10x42 SF. Ie Absam ring.

But I didn't see it in the 8x42 SF.

What I would like to know is, if its a fault with the optical design or if its normal.

For example, my 10x42 SV had the Absam ring effect. I then sent them back to Swarovski. They obviously adjusted something, Result no distortion or Absam ring anymore????

Tim

Can someone explain to me what the Abasam ring is? Is it the same as rolling ball? :smoke:

 

[czuk]

Good question, my estimate is just a small handful have preordered,
from the active posters I see on the forum.
That means I could count them on 2 hands.

So I suppose those inclined could respond.

Jerry

Then you must have a lot of fingers on those hands or very few SF customers are BF members (which I know is not the case)?

In the UK, for those who pre-ordered at this years bird fair in August, I still expect deliveries in October...........................and I mean 2014.

 

[NDhunter]

Then you must have a lot of fingers on those hands or very few SF customers are BF members (which I know is not the case)?

In the UK, for those who pre-ordered at this years bird fair in August, I still expect deliveries in October...........................and I mean 2014.

Carl Zeiss:

No need to get excited, I like Zeiss, and have and enjoy several examples.

What I said, is for the active posters here, I do not think many have
preordered the new SF binoculars. I stand by that.

I spend too much time on this forum, but do not recall anyone here
saying they have preordered. I can understand, a shy bunch, and they
would not comment that fact here.

I do wish Zeiss some luck here, and hope these do meet the very high
expectations, that are expected.

Jerry

 

[ticl2184]

I for one almost pre-ordered.....

I for one might of bought a pair on the day at Birdfair....If any were available....

Did speak to two people who did pre-order at birdfair though...
Hopefully,,,, there might be one or two covert Birdforum members, who will post when they get there pair in October????


Cheers Tim

 

[ticl2184]

HighNorth

The Absam ring is an area in the field of view where the resolution or sharpness drops off slightly...

I don't know the exact technical definition of the term, but I'm sure someone else on here can provide a more precise explanation...

Cheers Tim

 

[Chosun Juan]

http://instagram.com/p/tIIr5FFikC

SF on PhotoKina

Very informative - Not !

Again with the "best birding binocular" stuff !! *smacks head rolls eyes smilie*

Shouldn't that, ummm, be you know ..... like ---- decided by an independent arbiter ?!

Like, ummmmm ...... I dunno, the #@*^%$! buying public !!

Can not wait for the legal injunctions to start flying around ...... :brains: :king: 3


Chosun :gh:

Would love to know what kind of legal injuctions will be flying around.

:smoke:

A question perhaps best answered by Zeiss's competitors ..... :smoke:

(Some of who themselves are not beyond the odd outlandish claim - just quietly |:x| ........



Chosun :gh:

 

[Binastro]

. Zeiss Victory SF are listed at just over £2000 in October 2014 bird magazine.

 

[Gijs van Ginkel]

Dear all,
How does the Zeisss Victory SF fit in the quality history of Zeiss binoculars. That could be the title of a lecture and I stumbled upon it by the following:
In the years 1988-1990 Zeiss had two binoculars in its programme with bluish grey body armament, virtually the same as the present SF series. The two models were: Zeiss Marine 7x50B porro and the Zeiss Marine Dialyt 6x42B with roof prisms and the first Zeiss binocular with P-coating..
I got hold of a brand new Dialyt 6x42B and we found after some measurements the following data:
Weight 773 g, waterproof, individual eyepiece focussing, a little more than 1 revolution from close focus (2,9 m) to infinity, light transmission at 500 nm=90,5% and at 550 nm = 92%. Very sharp and bright image and the image quality hardly drops towards the edge of the field (no field flattener, but the quality is almost similar to the image changes at the border of the field as I have seen in the SF).
In the Zeiss flyers of that period the FOV of the Dialyt 6x42B is given as 148m/1000m. We measured it over and over using a Möller FOV meter and we could not confirm the 148m/1000m, in all our measurements we found an FOV of around 160m/1000m.
The question that puzzles me now: was the Dialyt 6x42B a source of inspiration for the optical construction of the SF? Does anybody on this forum have any insight in this matter?
Gijs

 

[henry link]

Gijs,

I'd be surprised if there is any similarity at all in the optical designs, if that's what you meant by: "was the Dialyt 6x42B a source of inspiration for the optical construction of the SF?". I haven't seen a cutaway view of the 6x42 Dialyt, but I'll bet it's a very simple design similar to the 8x56 Dialyt at the top of the diagram below: just a cemeted doublet objective (possibly the same one used in the 7x42 Dialyt and 3 element Konig eyepiece (possibly the same one seen in the diagram). Edge performance ought to be OK since the off-axis corrections of a Konig should hold up well enough to the 6x42 Dialyt's modest 50º (148m) or 54º (160m) AFOV.

Henry

 

[Gijs van Ginkel]

Henry,
Thank you for your reaction it is illustrative. However, I did not mean to say that the SF was a sort of copy of the Dialyt 6x42B, but if I look at the optical and mechanical quality and the optical specifications, it might have been a source of inspiration for the Zeiss design team to make another stunning high quality binocular like the SF is as far as I have been able to see from the instruments available. Other factors play of course also a role in this design, but perhaps the Zeiss designers will come up with a publication in an optical journal about the construction of the SF as they did in the past with other models or developments.
Gijs
Gijs

 

[alexbino]

I agree with the words Gijs.
You can use X-rays to binoculars Zeiss Marine Dialyt 6x42B and Zeisss Victory SF to confirm the hypothesis?