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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brocknroller" data-source="post: 1781088" data-attributes="member: 665">Unless you suffer from the infamous and dreaded Superior E blackouts when you use them. Most of the resales I've seen were due to that problem. Not that any of the ads said that, but when I PM'd the sellers, and mentioned the blackouts issue, they admitted that was mainly why they were selling their SEs.Except for one seller, who said, he didn't see what was so special about the SE. I sent his name to the SE Anti-Defamation League, and I assume he's already been tarred and feathered. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> The 8x30 EII, while lacking the SE's robustness and more generous ER, is nearly free from blackouts (I only see them when I dart my eyes to the lateral edges, but that's true with a lot of binoculars I've tried). I can let my eyes roam around the spacious 8.8* FOV w/out fear of blackouts.I've tried all three SEs, owned two 8x32s and two 12x50s, and owned two EIIs, two 10x35s and two 8x30s. The 8x SE and 8x EII I currently own are very close optically and were made around the same time. After using the 8x30 II for a day, going back to the SE feels somewhat claustrophobic since I can't see the entire FOV because of my deep set eyes. If I dig my eye sockets into the eyecups, I can see almost the entire FOV (there's slight vignetting at the edges), but then I get the infamous and dreaded Superior E blackouts. So the EII is more comfortable to use for me. Just pick up and go. The SE takes a little more finessing to make sure my IPD is set right (over-dialed for distance) so I can avoid blackouts. I also have to pan slowly to avoid blackouts. I didn't have this problem nearly as much with my earlier 501 sample, which had harder rubber eyecups. The 505s eyecups are softer, more like Latex. So I tend to push them in more easily. OTOH, ergonomically, the SE is the "superior E" and fits my hands well, whereas the EII requires Bushwackers for me to stabilize them properly since they are too short for my hands (and to box with God). If you are thinking about a lifetime purchase, and don't suffer from image blackoust with the SEs, and don't have deep set eyes, it's probably the better way to go. My ideal porros would be 8x36 EII with the same FOV and sharp optics as the 8x30, housed in an SE-type body, with an added ED element. Almost heaven, Binonirvana...</blockquote>

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