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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pduxon" data-source="post: 1334481" data-attributes="member: 1157">Gentoo.PLEASE don't take this personally but your last comment about the d700 makes you  sound like Ken Rockwell!! (really not personal!!). The 5dII will no doubt be an excellent camera (virtually all canon's are) but it hasn't come out yet!! Reminds me of one KR's reviews when he admitted he'd never used  the product!! Anyone know if the 5dII sensor is one used by canon before?Nikon and Canon tend not to compete directly from what I can observe. You are quite right that Nikon are playing catch up in some sectors. I believe that Nikon position their cameras in between canon's e.g. d70 is in between the 300d/350 but below the 10d/20d etc.The d90 is interesting because it competes currently with the 40d on price. The 40d  undoubtedly has a more pro speced body. Does it produce better images? i suspect not (please note I've never used a 40d). I make that statement purely on the basis that why did Canon launch the 50d quite so soon? The d90's image quality is according to a Mr T Hogan "is close enough [to the d300] to be called the same". The 50d price is falling all the time (as I like to remind a friend of mine who is resisting the temptation of buying one). It makes me think that the 40d will disappear and the 50d will sit in between. For those of you Canon shooters who love the 40d may I say its probably the bargain of the moment.Nikon's problem has been noise the d80 I wouldn't use above ISO 400, I'm told that's true of the d200, what surprised people with the d300 and especially the d3 was that Nikon had a big leap on noise. Noise was Canon's big thing.FF is somewhere that Canon still dominates. but one of the things commented on the Olympics was how many bodies no longer had grey lenses.Not sure why Nikon launched the d700 it certainly acted as a spoiler to the sony a900 and the price now is 2/3 that of the 5d MKII at launch (based on current uk prices). I guess there were enough people like Hogan who prefer that body size to a d3 size.The d700/d3 is more a PJ camera. Whereas Canon's certainly attracts those who need megapixels. I think Canon undoubtedly has a clear edge for people on this forum and really needs to add VR to the afs 300 f4 and afs to the 80-400vr. Both are decent lens (i've captured a hobby in flight with the later) but they NEED updating. The big lenses do tend to find Nikon about 10% pricier (in the UK). If I had to swap AND I was after a £5000 lens (AND I'M NOT!!) that would be eroded in buying bodies and wide angle lenses etc. a few years ago Nikon had no such lenses with VR.I think Nikon is a little easier to predict than Canon in the sense Nikon have a trend. d300/d200 sensor moves down to next level. Canon tends to use more sensors. so the next d40/d50/d60 will probably use a d90 sensor (and they need to do this). It would seem that sometime this year a new 24.1mp FF will be launched by Nikon is this a problem for Canon shooters? Of course not it will provide competition. Competition from both Nikon and Sony means that Canon have to answer and that's good for Canon shooters. If you want to buy a different brand do so. its your money and you've earned the right to spend it how you will. Personally I think you get more out of buying a 300f2.8 but its your dosh</blockquote>

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