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Nikon D850 (1 Viewer)

marcsantacurz

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I agree there is market segments for 24/45/60 MP formats. They all have their purpose.

I'm not seeing Nikon issuing a DSLR as their high-rez king -- wouldn't they go mirrorless on that? People using it for art/landscape/studio should do just fine with mirrorless. Much less shake too to keep that high-rez stable.

Personally, I like using the EL-18c in the d850 grip. That battery lasts forever! Yeah, the weight is a downer, but I never worry about running out of battery anymore. I wish I could use it on the Z7!

Marc
 

Chosun Juan

Given to Fly
Australia - Aboriginal
I agree there is market segments for 24/45/60 MP formats. They all have their purpose.

I'm not seeing Nikon issuing a DSLR as their high-rez king -- wouldn't they go mirrorless on that? People using it for art/landscape/studio should do just fine with mirrorless. Much less shake too to keep that high-rez stable.

Personally, I like using the EL-18c in the d850 grip. That battery lasts forever! Yeah, the weight is a downer, but I never worry about running out of battery anymore. I wish I could use it on the Z7!

Marc
The plan was for them to 'twin' the DSLR and Mirrorless models. Their latest public statement of direction has been that for now they are developing both systems in tandem to offer the consumer choice. Basically I think Nikon has decided it's too hard for them to work out which way to go and when, so they will leave that up to the customers ! :-O

In fairness, they always stated right from the start that drawback free EVF performance was going to be key as to when that could take place.

I'm sure there will be a mostly one-way transition from DSLR to Mirrorless down the track, but the D850 was such a success, that they'd be crazy not to follow up with a D880. I'd expect it will have a Z8 brother - both released within short order of one another.

Knowing how Nikon likes to hobble things though, I don't think they will include a hybrid video system like the D780 on the D880. It will be interesting how they position everything. :cat:





Chosun :gh:
 

JPAC

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Nikon D850 Camera Body price dropped 10% in the UK, maybe something new on the way?
 

Chosun Juan

Given to Fly
Australia - Aboriginal
Nikon D850 Camera Body price dropped 10% in the UK, maybe something new on the way?

JPAC - there was a special posted over the Halloween weekend.

The succeeding D880 has been rumoured for a long time - twinning with the 61MP Z8 whenever it gets here (I don't know if, or when, either one will lob first).

There were rumours of a Z8 next year, though it has been extremely tough times for camera manufacturers. First the cellphone disruption and a contracting market, then over the commercial cliff of COVID-19. Plenty of red ink.

Nikon has recognized that Enthusiast-Pro is where their bread is now buttered so there's hope there - it's just a matter of getting the engineering done on shrinking budgets (which they also want to squeeze for new B2B markets - no small task whatsoever ! :eek!:)

I expect the same for factor, hence weight. It would be nice if they could squeeze the top whack framerate out of just the standard body. That would make it a contender for me. I suspect though that forcing you into the extra battery grip has more to do with marketing and sales than engineering limits. We will see.

As such, if that's still the case of forcing ~1.3kg on you (I wonder how hard Nikon is R-e-a-l-l -y listening ...... :cat: ) , then I'm probably in the market for a D500S with a resolution kick up the bum ! ....... either, or .......

Or maybe a Z8 instead.

It's mainly a glass issue with Nikon - I need lightweight, and 600mm f5.6 minimum - so who knows what is happening with that PF lens .... ??

Fingers crossed all round :)







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JPAC

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Today's news of 'Japanese shares soar to 29-year high' and recent political events could encourage Nikon to make new products. Maybe also, some of the new mobile phone tech will find it's way into DSLR sensors. Those low light sensors are amazing.

What ever did happen to the 600mm PF? Probably just too expensive.

Nikon are keeping the price high for the D500 for some reason and the Canon 5D4 is now much more costly than the D850, at least in the UK.

It's not been a good year to get out and about so hopefully next year will be better. :t:
 

Chosun Juan

Given to Fly
Australia - Aboriginal
..... What ever did happen to the 600mm PF? Probably just too expensive. ....

We really expected the PF 600 f5.6 to come out first.
Then we ended up with the 500 to start with. The PF element was difficult to make - the larger the diameter, the more difficult it was to make. Nikon seemed to have settled on the 500 as something of a sweet spot initially.

The PF element also had a long lead time - in the order of ~8 months I seem to recall from some sources. Compounding that, Nikon seriously underestimated demand - so a big backlog of orders ensued. It was always a capacity constraint which saw the 600 put on the backburner.

I suppose Nikon figured it could sell a 500 unit to folks for starters, and then down the track sell that same customer a 600. With the current overall drop in demand, now would be the ideal time to start pumping out the 600's (I hope that is what Nikon has been up to).

Nikon F mount supertelephoto lenses are excellent quality - but they're a generation behind in weight reduction. With Canon working on fast R mount supertelephotos (perhaps even with DO technology combined for even further weight reductions) over the next few years, if Nikon doesn't rise to the challenge and have a tilt at being market leaders (like they were when the FL's first came out) then they may end up 2 generations behind.

I don't think the importance of competitive lightweight high quality fast long lenses can be overstated.







Chosun :gh:
 

JPAC

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These guys are usually first to announce.


You need to know Japanese or use google translate. ;)
 

Chosun Juan

Given to Fly
Australia - Aboriginal
These guys are usually first to announce.


You need to know Japanese or use google translate. ;)
What ever did happen to the 600mm PF?
It is still a little unclear from the rumours, but a 61MP Z8 may appear next year.

This will logically twin basic sensor and processing architecture with a D880 (or whatever it will be called) which would appear first (maybe along with an upgraded D500 ?)

I figure (and probably Nikon does too) that anyone going to buy a mirrorless Z8 won't be swayed by a D880 DSLR coming out first (or could in fact get one of each).

It would be typical Nikon, once all the D880 pre-orders are taken, and early adopters supplied, for it then to announce a PF 600 f5.6 ....... in Z mount !!

It doesn't appear on any released roadmap, but I wonder if Nikon realize they are at least a generation behind main rivals Sony and Canon in the lightweight stakes ?? Losing market share, while these two haven't, Nikon desperately needs to compete.

Even the newly released Olympus PRO 150-400 f4.5 at 1.85kg puts more light weight pressure on .....

Otherwise, the just released Z mount lens roadmap shows the fast supertelephotos as late 2022 arrivals.

I wonder what this says for any lighter weight F mount fast supertelephoto generation ? D880 folks might be limited to the PF 500 f5.6, or lugging one of the big FL's about .....




Chosun 🙅
 
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