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Nikon Monarch HG (1 Viewer)

ceasar

Well-known member
Bruce,

Nobody is sure what is going on at Nikon. If you find out let us know.:h?:

We know that its Binocular and Telescope Products Division was set up in 2001 under the subsidiary of Nikon Vision Company and at that time it had 45 employees.

You can find its year by year history in the link below. The division is probably much larger now but who knows? Most of it involves their Cameras but if you go back to March 12, 2010 (My birthday-by coincidence :king: ) they introduced the EDGs and back in 2004 they introduced the HGL Series of Binoculars.

http://www.nikon.com/news/2010/0312_edg_binoculars_01.htm

http://www.nikon.com/news/2004/hg_l_e_04.htm

http://www.nikon.com/news/2001/nikonvision_e_01.htm

There is a Nikon America website and Nikon Europe website but I can't find any official independent corporate formation for either one so I have no reason to think that the Nikon Monarch7HG will not be introduced in the USA.

I expect binoculars will be shipped to various places like B&H and Adorama when they get around to it.

Bob
 
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NDhunter

Experienced observer
United States
Since the Monarch HG is now out and about in Europe, as reported in another thread by Binastro, I thought I would check with Nikon USA to see what the status is on this side of the pond.

The sports optics lady who answered the phone call struck me as being unaware of this new model. I gave her the info and mentioned the press release, then said I had two questions. One was wanting to know if Nikon USA would be distributing the new Monarch HG in the US, and second, if they do carry it, when will it be available.

I was put on hold for about five minutes. She came back and told me she did not have an answer right at the moment and Nikon would get back with me.

I ultimately received a non answer answer.

Your guess is a good as mine if they will be available anytime soon in the US or if they will be available at all.

As a follow up question, I did ask about the status of the EDG and was told it is still listed as an active product.

Bruce:
I have dealt with Nikon service several times over the years, and I have found out that they deal mostly with repair concerns, etc.

They are not informed about product introductions, as that is not their responsibility. So don't be so disappointed. You should be talking to
Someone in sales, and the best place to start is with a retailer.

You will find things similar with most optics companies who provide a
customer service function.

Jerry
 

ceasar

Well-known member
Bruce:
I have dealt with Nikon service several times over the years, and I have found out that they deal mostly with repair concerns, etc.

They are not informed about product introductions, as that is not their responsibility. So don't be so disappointed. You should be talking to
Someone in sales, and the best place to start is with a retailer.

You will find things similar with most optics companies who provide a
customer service function.

Jerry

Jerry,

That has also been my experience with Nikon.

We were getting more information when Nikon had a company representative working in the USA. He was based out west in California I think. I can't remember his name at this time and he has moved on.

Bob
 

Steve O4B

Optics4Birding.com
Jerry,

That has also been my experience with Nikon.

We were getting more information when Nikon had a company representative working in the USA. He was based out west in California I think. I can't remember his name at this time and he has moved on.

Bob

Nikon used to have both repair and professional service representatives in the Los Angeles area (but no longer), but sales and development were always in Melville, NY.

I've been in contact with my Nikon sales rep as recently as yesterday. He has had no announcements about either the scope or the binos. His only information is what I have forwarded him from posts here in the forum.

Nikon Sports Optics staff in New York has shrunk by attrition over the last few years, with both the national sales manager and the product manager leaving for other jobs. AFAIK, they have not been replaced.
 

ceasar

Well-known member
Nikon used to have both repair and professional service representatives in the Los Angeles area (but no longer), but sales and development were always in Melville, NY.

I've been in contact with my Nikon sales rep as recently as yesterday. He has had no announcements about either the scope or the binos. His only information is what I have forwarded him from posts here in the forum.

Nikon Sports Optics staff in New York has shrunk by attrition over the last few years, with both the national sales manager and the product manager leaving for other jobs. AFAIK, they have not been replaced.


I had my 10x32 EDG I replaced with a new EDG II through the Melville office about 2 years or so ago. Everything was very efficient even though they had to go through the Los Angeles area to get it done. I was updated on everything that took place. They had to get the replacement from Japan. It took a little over 2 weeks.

I think when we see the new Monarch 7 HG listed on the Nikon USA website is when we will be able to get them here.

The Monarch HGs are listed on the Nikon United Kingdom site:

http://www.europe-nikon.com/en_GB/p...&Subnav1Param=Binoculars&Subnav2Param=monarch



Bob
 

BruceH

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Bruce,
Nobody is sure what is going on at Nikon. If you find out let us know.:h?:

Bob

Bob, I think you are getting me mixed up with Dennis. :eek!: Sorry, but I have no inside information. It was Dennis who was bragging a few years ago how he had an inside, super secret, special contact within Nikon USA. :t: As I recall he was even saying that he was giving them advice. Maybe he is the originator of the Monarch HG!;)

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We know that its Binocular and Telescope Products Division was set up in 2001 under the subsidiary of Nikon Vision Company and at that time it had 45 employees.
Bob

Looks like that applies to Nikon Global rather than Nikon USA, which I am discussing. It seems like part of the sports optics division (higher end binoculars) within Nikon USA is being diminished.

.......so I have no reason to think that the Nikon Monarch7HG will not be introduced in the USA.
Bob

Agreed. The new HG is a major product launch so it makes sense that Nikon USA, being a large channel distributor, wll carry the line sometime in the future.

As a side note, I noticed you reference this new model as the Monarch 7 HG rather than as just the Monarch HG. Has that been a typo or is there a reason for including the "7"? I thought the name is just Monarch HG.

Bruce:
I have dealt with Nikon service several times over the years, and I have found out that they deal mostly with repair concerns, etc.

They are not informed about product introductions, as that is not their responsibility. So don't be so disappointed. You should be talking to
Someone in sales, and the best place to start is with a retailer.
Jerry

Jerry, I get what you are saying about the front end customer service reps and how they handle a variety of issues. That is why I was not surprised that they did not have an immediate answer about carrying the HG. However they did request time to follow up. I assume that time was needed to contact someone in sales. Realistic, who else would they follow up with. As promised, they did get back to me with the "non answer" response. Effectively, I believe that was dealing with someone in sales. I am not sure why a retailer, such as Steve, would know more than what Nikon USA should be able to supply directly. Sounds like Steve is also struggling to get information from Nikon.

Jerry,
.......
We were getting more information when Nikon had a company representative working in the USA. He was based out west in California I think. I can't remember his name at this time and he has moved on.

Bob

That would be Mike Freiberg. Looks like his position was phased out.

......
Nikon Sports Optics staff in New York has shrunk by attrition over the last few years, with both the national sales manager and the product manager leaving for other jobs. AFAIK, they have not been replaced.

That seems to support the point I have been trying to make that at least the binocular part of Nikon USA is becoming more of a sideline product. Best I can tell, Nikon USA does little to promote products anymore to the birding community. They are missing in action from most if not all of the major festivals. They do attend a few of the major outdoor events (such as the Shotshow and NRA Convention) where they can promote firearms scopes and will include binoculars as a side item.
 

ceasar

Well-known member
Bruce,

I've been using the terms Monarch 7 HG and Monarch HG interchangeably. I don't know why I did so but their proper designation is Monarch HG. That is how they were introduced on July 14 and how they are listed on Nikon's Great Britain website.

Bob
 

ceasar

Well-known member
The day the HGs appear in the Nikon Sport Optics, USA website will be the day they will be available in the USA.

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/nikon-products/binoculars/all-binoculars/index.page

See, that wasn't too hard to predict!:king:

Currently the Nikon USA site lists 82 binoculars. 52 of them cost under $200.00. The next biggest grouping is from $1000.00 to $2000.00: There are 7 in that group. The next largest group over $2000.00 are the 5 EDGs. All of the rest are between $200.00 and $1000.00.

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/nikon-products/binoculars/all-binoculars/index.page

Bob
 
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Petrus82

Well-known member
On all the images there seems to be a small gap between the diopter ring and the eyecup. Have the eyecups been twisted out slightly?

Eye relief is listed as 17.8 but the actual glass looks quite recessed. I'm wondering if the eye relief will be tight.
 

adhoc

Well-known member
Post #252, Petrus. The video from Russia linked somewhere (several times?) above shows the model from many angles.

BTW, now this may be too hasty, but, on reading Binastro's reviews I wonder, after all the anticipation, whether the Monarch 7 isn't a more impressive achievement.
 

Binastro

Well-known member
The Monarch HG needs to be reviewed by birdwatchers as my approach is from an astronomer's viewpoint while trying to address birdwatchers needs.
The ghosting issue may be unimportant for birdwatchers.
The CA could be partly down to the one example tested. It could vary. It may be acceptable in a small handy binocular.
The Monarch HG seems to be aimed at being a small lightweight binocular, with a larger field than most and good edge performance, courtesy of a fairly flat field. Larger binoculars will control things better.

The image is bright, but I don't know if the brightest binoculars are considerably or only modestly brighter.
I don't know how well it reproduces the colours in birdwatching as this is an unfamiliar subject to me.

Observers with more accommodation than I have may not see some of the things I mention.

The eye relief seems long. I will try it with glasses, which I haven't done yet.

I am pretty sure that I could find imperfections in some top binoculars if I wanted, but unfortunately I don't have access to them, so don't really know.
 
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adhoc

Well-known member
Petrus, here is an image made up from that video, which shows the gap. I came across it just now having made it about a week back to compare (as well as possible) the lengths of the 3 models and then forgotten about it. At this point in the video the eyecups, or one of them, was out, and my cut-and-paste image of the HG is from a little later after the guy is seen to twist the eyecups, or cup, in. (Camera distance and zoom are constant.)

Binastro, have you used the Monarch 7? How do the HG and 7 compare (in your use)? Thank you!

PS. I remembered just now (1-2 hours after posting and Binastro's response below) that the image of the HG at this point in the video may have been replaced because the objective covers were then on. Anyway in the substituted image here these covers are off and the eyecups are in. In the M7 the objective covers are on.
 

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Binastro

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Sorry, I don't have and haven't used a Monarch 7.
I am surprised that all the three binoculars shown are the same length.
I suppose the HG is the lightest weight but I don't know.
I also haven't seen the EDG.

I have never really used an 8x42, only 10x42s.
Maybe a Bushnell 8x42 H2O Porro waterproof, but this is low priced.
 

adhoc

Well-known member
Thank you, Binastro. Please see my PS.

The lengths in inches as given by Nikon are: M7 5.6, HG 5.7, EDG 5.9.

The weight of the M7 is given as 660 grams, and the HG as 665 grams. The HG was weighed by you as a gram or two less than 660, but you had by then not replaced the objective covers with the substitute rubber rims!
 
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Binastro

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After calibrating my scales I made the weight with the replacement rubber rings to be 665.6g, maybe 665.7g.
This rounds to 666g, but I felt that it might be better to call it 665g as per makers specs, as I didn't want too many negative comments.

Anyway the weight varies with latitude because of the change in rotational speed of the Earth.

The Russians give mass in their binocular specs.

P.S.
The Monarch 7 8x42 would certainly have been cheaper.
I don't know how they compare.
I was hoping somebody would review the 8x42 HG, but there were no reviews, so I got one.
I think that when I stop testing it and just use it, it will be a useful binocular, particularly in poorer light.
I have never used a modern 8x42 before.
 
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Rock Thrush

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Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 user review

I recently bought the Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 and have had a couple of days to field test them in both bright and dull conditions. Previously I’d been using Zeiss 8x32 FLs for 8 years but wanted something brighter for birding in low light conditions so I was looking for a pair of 8x42s. However I still wanted something light and compact, preferably less than 700g. I also wanted a good field of view (FoV) and a close focus of 2m for insects and small animals. I narrowed my choice down to the Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 at £800 ($1,060) and the Vortex Razor HD 8x42 at £1,000 ($1,325).
I bought the Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 which weigh 660g, are compact with similar dimensions to the Leica Ultravid, have a FoV of 145m and a close focus of 2m. The rubber armour is a very thin black faux leatherette style which covers most of the barrels excluding the inner portion and a thin section at the top and bottom. It feels less robust than the more substantial armouring on other models, but the build quality still feels very good. Perhaps I will be a bit more careful with them than with a well armoured model but that may not be a bad thing! One oddity is that it comes fitted with rubber lens caps attached to rubber rings at the end of the barrels. I tried these for a few days and found one tended to flop open and I also forgot when I’d closed them and when I hadn’t. After three days I changed them for the supplied rubber rings which fit the ends of the barrels; I expect many owners will do likewise. The eyecups have two intermediate positions and although I wear glasses, I raise them to look through binoculars, so I use binoculars with eyecups fully extended. The eye relief is 17.8mm so they should be OK for those who keep their spectacles on. One physical feature which is really excellent is the focus wheel. It is very precise and smooth with just the right amount of resistance. It is probably the best focusing wheel of any binocular I have ever tried.
In terms of optical quality my first comparison was to my Zeiss 8x32 FL. The Nikon Monarch HG 8x42s are significantly better. OK I’m comparing a 32mm against a 42mm lens which equates to about a 60% increase in light gathering. However the gain in image quality is not just due to brightness, the colour saturation and contrast combine to give the Nikon a superb clarity which just has more ‘Pop’ than the Zeiss 8x32 FL. I was amazed at just how much better the Nikons were compared to my Zeiss 8x32.
I compared the Nikon to the Vortex Razor HD in a shop with outdoor viewing on an overcast day with light rain, focussing both close and middle distance. The two binoculars are similar in terms of physical properties with the Vortex Razor HD being only 5mm longer and 20g heavier. It also has thin, but plain green rubber armour which is more extensive giving it a slightly more durable feel.
Optically there are two obvious differences between the Nikon and the Vortex. The Vortex has a brighter image than the Nikon but it has a smaller FoV of 129m against 145m for the Nikon. Also the Nikon has field flattener lens which mean that a greater proportion of the image is sharp with only the extreme edge on the very periphery of your vision being soft. The Vortex, without field flattener technology has a wider margin which is soft and this is more noticeable due to the smaller image circle. Some people have a problem with the rolling-ball effect that some field flattener lenses produce when panning. I’m not familiar with this but did notice a very subtle effect when panning but it’s not an issue for me.
In terms of sharpness I couldn’t tell a difference when standing hand holding normally. However supporting myself against the door frame I think the Razor might just have the edge. In terms of colour saturation and contrast I thought the Nikon was definitely better. As with the Zeiss FL the Nikon just has a greater clarity and ‘Pop’ than the Vortex. I also compared them against the Leica Ultravid HD plus for reference. This was slightly better than both, with a significantly brighter image than the Nikon and more clarity than the Vortex. However the difference was not huge and the poor minimum focus of 3m discounted it.
I had chosen the Nikons after a seven hour journey in heavy traffic and rain on a Saturday. Later when I got to my holiday cottage I wondered if I had been two hasty in my choice and whether brightness or field of view should be my priority. I also thought I might have been a bit prejudiced against the Vortex as I had read a couple of views which mentioned its’ performance into direct sunlight as a weakness. So I went back to the shop on the Monday (still overcast with light rain) and tested them against the Vortex again and also other models. Against the Vortex it confirmed my view that although the Vortex was brighter, the greater colour saturation, contrast and clarity of the Nikon coupled with the better field of view made it preferable. The Vortex image looked slightly washed out by comparison to the Nikon.
I also compared the Nikons to the Zeiss Conquest HD which is very good but in my view not quite as good as the Nikon. It’s also heavier with a smaller FoV and lacks a locking dioptre adjustment. I finally tried the Nikon against the Zeiss SF, widely regarded as the best birding binocular. The Zeiss SF were better, being brighter and slightly sharper but a lot bulkier. They also weigh 120g more (similar to the Ultravids) but feel surprising light. The Nikon Monarch HGs gave a warmer colour balance than the Zeiss SF and I prefer the Nikons in that respect. The Zeiss SF are more than double the price of the Nikon Monarch HGs – a whole £1,000 ($1,325) more! For my money I did not think the difference was worth anywhere near £1,000. So I left the shop with the same pair of Nikons in my hand, happy that I had made the right choice for my needs. I have since tested the Nikons into late afternoon low direct sunlight and the performance is excellent, no issues at all. In the few days of use in the field I have been delighted with the superb clarity of the image and wonderful precise focussing.
I haven’t compared the Nikon Monarch HG to the Nikon EDG so I can’t comment on any difference in optical quality. However the EDG are 220g heavier, have a smaller FoV and cost £600 more. I also prefer the simple elegant styling of the Monarch HG which reminds me of the 1970’s Leica Trinovids as opposed to the flashier styling of the EDG which one reviewer described as looking like a Batman binocular. I think Nikon have realised that they have not succeeded in breaking into the top of the range big three market and decided to target the next level down with an excellent binocular at a very competitive price.
Everyone’s eyesight and priorities regarding the optical and physical properties of binoculars, as well as budgets are different. For me the Nikon Monarch HG 8x42 are ideal because of their combination of superb optical quality, wide field, precise and close focus, light weight, compactness and value for money. Other users may appreciate subtleties between different models which I have missed and may find other models are better suited to them. That’s fine, but if you’re in the market for a pair of binoculars in the £500-£1,000 category, you should definitely try the Nikon Monarch HG before you buy anything else. Even if you’re looking at the big three top of the range / second tier £1,200 - £2,000, I recommend comparing them against the Nikon Monarch HGs.
 

ceasar

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Thank you for your detailed report on the 8x42 Monarch HG Rock!

Now we will be even more breathlessly awaiting their release here in the USA!8-P

Bob
 

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