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matt green

Norfolkman gone walkabout
Hi all,
I was wondering if some one can help me please. I use the coasthopper bus quite a bit and was wondering where I would need to get off to visit Kelling Heath and how far I would need to walk from the bus stop to Kelling heath. I would also like to know how far the Coasthopper stops from Sheringham sea front?

Just to elaborate on Roberts post, from Weybourne you'd need to walk up Holgate Hill road (not done this myself but probably a nice enough walk!) and take the public footpath eitherside of the road.

The walk down to the seafront at Sheringham (and the oft famed seawatching shelters if you are that way inclined!) is easy enough, just a 10 minute walk down the high street!! Hope the maps are a help.

Matt
 

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Jono L

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Does anybody have any info on the probable Pacific GP at Breydon?
Is the hide the best place to view from and is it influenced by the tides?
Tonight's high tide is 7.25pm.
I don't know the site too well, so any info gratefully received.
Cheers
 

ben_lewis

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(Pacific) golden plover

Hi Jono and others,

The (Pacific) golden plover is best viewed from the hide at the NE of breydon water, park in asda car pak and walk under the bridge to get to the hide. as i understand has only been seen in the mornings as the tide is rising/nearly high, it ventures out to the middle at low tide (impossible to view!).

Below are a few pics from this morning, taken at a bit of distance in the strong wind (excuses excuses!)

Ben
 

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dbradnum

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Breydon is very strongly tidal, with a huge expanse of (largely distant and hazy) mud at low tide, and very little mud on a big high tide, when the waders get pushed up onto the saltings in front of the hide. The hide itself is pretty well situated for watching the latter state but (assuming it's not changed recently) it's a spectacularly unpleasant place to be, since it's well used by dossers and druggies etc and generally stinks to high heaven. You access it along the estuary wall from the Asda carpark, but I think they may have put some parking restrictions here recently? Worth checking, anyway. You can also view from the seawall near the hide, or further round the north wall, but without the same height advantage.

Another place to view from is the south wall, accessed from the carpark near Broadland Rugby club (think this is officially Herbert Barnes Riverside Park, or somesuch). This can be good either side of high tide, when the mud flats are only exposed at the eastern end of the estuary (i.e. right in front of you) and birds are concentrated in the area.

All this is general to the site, since I don't know anything about the Goldie's habits beyond what's on the pager.
 

ben_lewis

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As you can see from the photos

-the bird has a very strong neat super,
-capped appearence on a smooth rounded head profile.
-It clearly has long tertials overlapping the primary's.
-You cannot see the primary projection beyond the tail too well in the photos- there was a projection but not quite as long as you'd expect in a AGP, it had a less attenuated look to it than AGP (although true shape was not revealed because of the strong wind)
-the mantle was also more gold than black another good pointer to PGP i believe.
-I should also add that at one point it streached its wings right up in the air- I would describe them as a light smoky grey colour, not as dark as AGP according to the collin's field guide and clearly not white.

Collin's field guide was of no real use with id'ing this bird in the field as neither of the lesser GP's are shown in winter plumage, so I'll raid the net properly now. I'd say it looks like a very good candidate for Pacific golden plover from what knowledge I have of AGP and GP but a lot of the people in the hide this morning were keeping fairly quiet when it came to the identification of this bird.

Any thoughts?

Ben
 
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dbradnum

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Thanks for posting these up, Ben. Plumage sounds pretty decent for PGP, I think.

However, did you get any feel for the bird's size and structure relative to Golden Plover? The ones I've seen have appeared very small and dainty (more so than AGP), and when standing up, the legs are very long especially above the 'knee'.

Also, am I right to assume someone has seen the axillaries to categorically rule out European Goldie?
 

Jono L

Well-known member
Thanks for the info folks.
From these photos there are some pro-AGP features:
1. Bird is not particularly front-heavy, with a smallish wedge-shaped bill, rounded head etc
2. Neat dark cap and contrasting white super and throat - too prominent for PGP? This contrasts with a greyish breast.
3. Difficult to tell from the photos, but the tertials seem to fall short of the tail tip.
4. Again, difficult from the photos, but the primaries appear quite fresh; black and unworn looking, which fits better with moult in Juv AGPs (I have read somewhere that PGPs don't moult their primaries until later) (and presuming this is a 2cy not an adult).

Have you seen the legs?

A tricky bird I reckon!
Cheers
 

ben_lewis

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Hi David,

I edited my post to include a brief description of the axillaries, but as far as size goes it was very difficult to judge. It was always hunkered down trying to get out of the blustery wind, it was also standing within the grasses at all times so I didnt even see the legs. There were no other gp's present this morning for comparison but I was told that there are 4 gp's around yesterday (all with black bellies) and they have not associated with it at all. As far as judging size the only birds anywhere near it were an oystercatcher and Herring gull, so not that easy.

Ben
 

ben_lewis

Well-known member
Jono, I hear what your saying about the pro AGP points. A quick look at surfbirds galleries has probably made me more unsure. There are pictures of each species that fit the description of this one, there are not that many photographs of birds in April which doesnt help either. I suppose this is why people were not saying much about the id in the hides. I reccomend going to see it in the morning as my photos are obviously pretty rubbish to use for correct id and it due to be less windy tomorrow.

..Ben
 

ben_lewis

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sorry, me again

After doing some research I will stick my neck out and say it IS as the pager suggests a (possible) Pacific golden plover for the following reasons;
-The bill from tip to culman if folded back on itself comes past the rear of the eye a pro PGP feature apparently. (see attempted diagram representing this (on paint))
-The feathering at the top of the base of the bill is clearly pale, on AGP this forehead area should be dark.
-The pale supercillium and throat have a yellow wash to them, this should be white on AGP.
-From looking at pictures it seems that this bird has a thicker bill than the more fine AGP’s
-The bill is also thicker at the base than the tip whereas AGP tends to be a similar width all the way from base to tip.

The main problem is that the tertials and primaries were very difficult to judge in the field, equally so on these pictures.
 

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Jono L

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Hi Ben
I am off to have a crack at it after work on the rising tide as I won't be able to do it before work tomorrow. Maybe see you there!!
Cheers
 

mr.sim

Honourable founding member of the "day late" gang
Pacific Golden Plover - Norfolk - Breydon Water - 10:30 No big black question mark by this report. I'm presuming this means it's just confirmed as a PGP? Anyone have any further info?
 

dbradnum

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Pacific Golden Plover - Norfolk - Breydon Water - 10:30 No big black question mark by this report. I'm presuming this means it's just confirmed as a PGP? Anyone have any further info?

No, it's not confirmed, and yes, plenty of info... mostly about two posts higher up this thread! ;)
 

Jono L

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Had a quick look last night - surprised that I didn't see a single birder there. However, the birds were a long way off and the sun was straight in my face, so perhaps everybody knew that apart from me!! ;-) I didn't see it sadly.
 

Paul Eele

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Titchwell April 9th

Today's highlights

Redstart - male in ploughed field viewable from carpark gates although very elusive. My 1st ever spring male on the reserve!
Bittern - male booming in reedbed, 1 in flight from Fen Hide
Common buzzard - 1 south over the reserve
Hen harrier - ringtail east along beach
Spotted redshank - 5 on fresh marsh
Brambling - 2 males on feeders
Lesser redpoll - 5 on Meadow Trail

Paul
 

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Alpine swift at Snettisham this evening according to RBA - seen over the reserve at 7pm, showed for ~5 mins before flying out of sight.
 

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