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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Michael Frankis" data-source="post: 175291" data-attributes="member: 1389">Hi Lancey, Two problems, first, lack of carotenoids doesn't explain the lack of the black bib, and secondly, as you mention, it is a winter problem - I wouldn't expect it in high summer, except from a bird which has been feeding on a sub-standard diet, which one outdoors won't be, but a captive one might very well be Michael</blockquote>