Oreoica gutturalis lloydi Mathews 1917 (1 Viewer)

[Taphrospilus]

Oreoica gutturalis lloydi Mathews 1917 OD here and here

The Eponym Dictionary of Birds claims:

Crested Bellbird ssp. Oreoica gutturalis lloydi Mathews 1917 NCR [JS Oreoica gutturalis gutturalis]
Charles Griffiths Hamilton Lloyd (fl.1888–at least 1912) assisted Thomas Carter (q.v.) to make a collection of birds on Dirk Hartog Island, Shark Bay, Western Australia. He lived near New Norfolk, Tasmania, where he collected 121 species. He also discovered fossil remains in the area (1858). Lloyd acted as manager for J. Nicholas, who was the lessee of the island.

The Key to Scientific Names

Charles Griffiths Hamilton Lloyd (fl. 1888) Australian farmer on Tasmania, collector (syn. Oreoica gutturalis).

Why Thomas Carter is not at least as well author may a question for our Code SME (subject matter expert)

Without knowing Charles Griffiths Hamilton Lloyd's life dates I am wondering why fl. 1888 if he discovered fossil in 1858. But maybe we get his life dates here? It looks like he might died 1931 and may married to Margaret Ellen Holden.

 

[Fred Ruhe]

Taphrospilus wrote: "Charles Griffiths Hamilton Lloyd dicovered fossil in 1858". May I know which fossil(s), as I don't know his name, and whether it is a bird he discovered?

Fred

 

[PScofield]

The old father son same name problem
Fossils were Miocene marine invertebrates found by Snr.
Charles Griffiths Hamilton Lloyd

Birth	9 Sep 1834 West Bengal, India
Marriage	15 Jun 1875 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Residence	24 Aug 1897 New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia
Death	24 Aug 1897 New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia

Father	Henry Lloyd (1801-1879)
Mother	Charlotte Williams (1804-1878)
Spouse	Eliza Jane Roach Doyle (1849-1932)

Charles (Charlie) Griffiths Hamilton Lloyd

Birth	1 Jul 1885 New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia
Residence	1924 Richmond, Victoria, Australia
Marriage	1931 Victoria, Australia
Death	1963 Heidelberg, Victoria, Australia

Father	Charles Griffiths Hamilton LLOYD (1834-1897)
Mother	Eliza Jane DOYLE (1849-1932)
Spouse	Louisa Dawson (1888-1925)

 

[l_raty]

Why Thomas Carter is not at least as well author may a question for our Code SME (subject matter expert)

Presumably because the nomenclature is attributed to Mathews here ?

 

[Taphrospilus]

I found only Three specimens of wood, and three of fossil wood, from Queensland here but this can't be him.

 

[Fred Ruhe]

The old father son same name problem
Fossils were Miocene marine invertebrates found by Snr.
Charles Griffiths Hamilton Lloyd

Birth	9 Sep 1834 West Bengal, India
Marriage	15 Jun 1875 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Residence	24 Aug 1897 New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia
Death	24 Aug 1897 New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia

Father	Henry Lloyd (1801-1879)
Mother	Charlotte Williams (1804-1878)
Spouse	Eliza Jane Roach Doyle (1849-1932)

Charles (Charlie) Griffiths Hamilton Lloyd

Birth	1 Jul 1885 New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia
Residence	1924 Richmond, Victoria, Australia
Marriage	1931 Victoria, Australia
Death	1963 Heidelberg, Victoria, Australia

Father	Charles Griffiths Hamilton LLOYD (1834-1897)
Mother	Eliza Jane DOYLE (1849-1932)
Spouse	Louisa Dawson (1888-1925)

Thanks for the information on the fossils Paul.

Fred

 

[PScofield]

From a NSW newspaper for 1897:

£50 REWARD

The sum of Fifty Pounds will be paid by the undersigned for any information which shall lead to the discovery of the body of

CHARLES GRIFFITHS HAMILTON LLOYD, until lately residing at "Bryn Estyn," near New Norfolk, in Tasmania,
who is believed to have been drowned in the River Derwent, between Bridgewater and New Norfolk, or otherwise met with a
fatal (accident, on the 24th August last, E. J. LLOYD,

"Bryn Estyn."

 

[l_raty]

Mmh.
Is the dedicatee really a "Charles Griffith" ? Carter & Mathews wrote "G. C.", not "C. G."... And there are other sources where a manager of Dirk Hartog called "G. C. Lloyd" can be found, e.g. here, here, here.

Besides, how can you be the manager of a sheep station on an island in Shark Bay while living in Tasmania or Victoria ?

Here, I find traces of a "Lloyd, George Charles, of Dirk Hartog Island".

 

[l_raty]

Here, I find traces of a "Lloyd, George Charles, of Dirk Hartog Island".

George Charles Lloyd, of Dirk Hartog Island, married Gladys Bethia Wedge Bates on 17 May 1920 here.
(They honeymooned in Singapore and Java, before "returning to their station, Dirk Hartog Island, Shark's Bay", in July, here.)

Here, about Dirk Hartog Island station, Mr. Frank Lloyd is cited as a "brother of the manager, Mr. Geo. Lloyd."

George Charles Lloyd (1877-1962) on FamilySearch.
George Charles Lloyd (1877-1962) on Geni.