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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark Newsome" data-source="post: 1785623" data-attributes="member: 7415">I don't think anyone is saying this. The whole topic is about organised flushes of vagrant birds - ie the bird is extremely skulking, you wouldn't have much chance of seeing it at all without it flying and it's rare enough that visiting birders will travel to see it. There's no reason/excuse for deliberately flushing commoner/less skulking birds where good fieldcraft would allow you to see it.There are so many different situations in this broad subject. Personally I'd be much more accepting of a Great Snipe being flushed twice in a single day than a Long-eared Owl roost being regular disturbed through the winter. Or a marsh with Jack Snipe regularly being waded through by people wanting a year tick. In my opinion, regular disturbance to birds such as these is more of an issue than with one vagrant.In an ideal world, there would be no disturbance and all birds would sit out in the open so we could enjoy our hobby (to whatever degree we wish). This doesn't happen and I see organised flushes of a single rare bird as damage limitation. Birders (the vast majority of which are conservation minded and care deeply about birds) are happy and the bird is left in peace for the vast majority of the day.</blockquote>