It was taken in Borneo Tropical Rainforest Resort which also shared border with Lambir Hills National Park, Miri. Therefore species that found in national park may as well appear at the resort's forest.There's no such species as Oriental White-eye any more - in a complex arrangement, it was spit into Indian and Swinhoe's. Indian doesn't reach Peninsular Malaysia, let alone Borneo, so the possibilities are Swinhoe's and Hume's (formerly known as Everett's). Hume's is best separated on habitat (it's a true forest species) but it has a thicker eye-ring with a more pronounced break at the front and a yellowish band running along the belly and linking the yellow throat to the yellow vent. The latter feature is obviously difficult to see in side profile views but I'm not seeing any sign of it here. Some images of Swinhoe's from Sarawak also show a yellow band running down the underparts, and birds there seem to be dark-tailed, making separation more difficult. Where did you see your bird?
If you want to look into the history of how the birds got their name etc, there is a thread in the taxonomy part of the forum which discussed that, starting around post 80 in this thread:Just on a side-note: I thought that the current trend was to give birds (and other animals) neutral English names or names based on the name of the bird in the language of some group of people where they are found and not to use the name of their European 'discoverer', but that seems to have been ignored in the case of Hume's and Swinhoe's.
Hi Niels; thanks for those interesting links.If you want to look into the history of how the birds got their name etc, there is a thread in the taxonomy part of the forum which discussed that, starting around post 80 in this thread:
Putting aside the question of desirability, isn't it correct to say that there should already be sufficient specimen material to validly describe Wangi Wangi White-eye in accordance with ICZN rules? Putting aside the question of desirability, a photo is enough.www.birdforum.net
And here is a thread discussing how to differentiate Hume's from Swinhoe's
Dear all, subspecies auriventer from the past Oriental White-eye and a couple of subspecies from Everett's White-eye have been combined into Hume's White-eye. The question is if we have any images in the gallery that actually show that species. I have looked and mainly by range identified a few...www.birdforum.net
James: Thank you for this comment.Narrow orbital ring (especially above eye), and dull olive-green upperparts = Hume's White-eye. Swinhoe's would have a much broader orbital ring + show a yellower supraloral stripe.
The orbital ring feature is more of a Sundiac taxa feature, as the northerly races have a slightly narrower orbital. I wrote this in the Indonesian Archipelago field guide:James: Thank you for this comment.
Looking at my own photos posted above, I can clearly see the yellow supraloral which otherwise I would have thought was 'just one of those things', and looking around at various internet photos, this seems to be a good feature. I'm less convinced about the eye-ring thickness, but on the other hand if James Eaton thinks it's a useful feature, then I am not qualified to disagree.
Andy: Thanks for taking the trouble to look at my photos. (But I think you are being really optimistic in getting a yellow ventral stripe from Dixon's photo three which has a lot of photo artefacts and is of lower quality than the other two photos - I think the features which James pointed to are enough anyway.)
DixonLau: Apologies for partially hi-jacking your thread, but at least you got a definite ID, and I learned something, and Andy did too, I think. So drinks all around!
In fact, I am very much appreciated.DixonLau: Apologies for partially hi-jacking your thread, but at least you got a definite ID, and I learned something, and Andy did too, I think. So drinks all around!