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<blockquote data-quote="l_raty" data-source="post: 2967656" data-attributes="member: 24811"><p>They write:</p><p></p><p>The fragment they obtained from <em>vigorsii</em> is fully identical to the homologous sequence of <em>T. tetrax</em>; it differs from the homologous sequence of <em>E. humilis</em> by one single substitution; it differs from the homologous sequence of <em>E. rueppellii</em> by 19 substitutions. (See attached tree; note I used sequences of rather variable length to build it, though.) Thus the group would include <em>T. tetrax</em>, but exclude <em>E. rueppellii</em>... which in fact is hardly supportive of what <a href="https://www.academia.edu/5410971/Phylogenetic_Relationships_and_Ancestral_Areas_of_the_Bustards_Gruiformes_Otididae_Inferred_from_Mitochondrial_DNA_and_Nuclear_Intron_Sequences" target="_blank">Pitra et al.</a> "proposed". (Pitra et al. obtained a highly uncertain placement of <em>E. rueppellii</em> in their trees, and suggested that this was possibly a consequence of them having not included data from <em>humilis</em> and <em>vigorsii</em>, which they assumed to be the closest relatives of <em>rueppellii</em>. Here, Horreo <em>et al.</em>'s data suggest that these two species are both extremely close to <em>T. tetrax</em>, and in no way particularly related to <em>E. rueppellii</em>; including them in the analysis doesn't seem to help clarify the placement of <em>E. rueppellii</em> at all.)</p><p></p><p>If correct, this would be quite amazing...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="l_raty, post: 2967656, member: 24811"] They write: The fragment they obtained from [I]vigorsii[/I] is fully identical to the homologous sequence of [I]T. tetrax[/I]; it differs from the homologous sequence of [I]E. humilis[/I] by one single substitution; it differs from the homologous sequence of [I]E. rueppellii[/I] by 19 substitutions. (See attached tree; note I used sequences of rather variable length to build it, though.) Thus the group would include [I]T. tetrax[/I], but exclude [I]E. rueppellii[/I]... which in fact is hardly supportive of what [URL="https://www.academia.edu/5410971/Phylogenetic_Relationships_and_Ancestral_Areas_of_the_Bustards_Gruiformes_Otididae_Inferred_from_Mitochondrial_DNA_and_Nuclear_Intron_Sequences"]Pitra et al.[/URL] "proposed". (Pitra et al. obtained a highly uncertain placement of [I]E. rueppellii[/I] in their trees, and suggested that this was possibly a consequence of them having not included data from [I]humilis[/I] and [I]vigorsii[/I], which they assumed to be the closest relatives of [I]rueppellii[/I]. Here, Horreo [I]et al.[/I]'s data suggest that these two species are both extremely close to [I]T. tetrax[/I], and in no way particularly related to [I]E. rueppellii[/I]; including them in the analysis doesn't seem to help clarify the placement of [I]E. rueppellii[/I] at all.) If correct, this would be quite amazing... [/QUOTE]
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