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<blockquote data-quote="l_raty" data-source="post: 3499938" data-attributes="member: 24811"><p>(<a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2016.12.013" target="_blank">http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2016.12.013</a> it should be -- no space after 'ympev.')</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">[<a href="http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/thumbimage/1-s2.0-S1055790316304171-gr1.jpg" target="_blank">Fig. 1</a>]</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">[<a href="http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/thumbimage/1-s2.0-S1055790316304171-gr2.jpg" target="_blank">Fig. 2</a>]</p><p>A long-awaited one :t:<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />.</p><p></p><p>This nicely confirms and expands what we suspected/knew already (<em>cf.</em> above, and also [<a href="http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?p=3286292#post3286292" target="_blank">here</a>]) -- <em>Ploceus</em> must be restricted to the four Asian spp; the Madagascan <em>Ploceus</em> spp are sister to the African typical weaver/malimbe radiation; in this African radiation, the species usually placed in <em>Ploceus</em> (i.e., <em>Textor</em> sensu TiF) are paraphyletic wrt <em>Malimbus</em>.</p><p>The authors suggest lumping the entire African radiation (<em>Malimbus</em>, <em>Anaplectes</em>, <em>Textor</em> sensu TiF) into a quite (too?) broad <em>Malimbus</em>. (Which at least has the advantage that we don't need to worry too much about which subclade most unsampled species fall in.)</p><p></p><p>(Main remaining "mysteries", in my view: <em>Brachycope anomala</em>/<em>Ploceus anomalus</em> [looks like it might be a bishop, based on two <em>very</em> short (100bp) published cox1 sequences, but I wouldn't bet too much on this] and <em>Pachyphantes</em>/<em>Ploceus superciliosus</em> [seems pretty distinct, based on a single 297bp-long published cox1 sequence; can't really say more; and of course one single sequence can always 'be wrong' for one or another reason].)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="l_raty, post: 3499938, member: 24811"] ([url]http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ympev.2016.12.013[/url] it should be -- no space after 'ympev.') [INDENT][[URL="http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/thumbimage/1-s2.0-S1055790316304171-gr1.jpg"]Fig. 1[/URL]] [[URL="http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/thumbimage/1-s2.0-S1055790316304171-gr2.jpg"]Fig. 2[/URL]][/INDENT] A long-awaited one :t:;). This nicely confirms and expands what we suspected/knew already ([I]cf.[/I] above, and also [[URL="http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?p=3286292#post3286292"]here[/URL]]) -- [I]Ploceus[/I] must be restricted to the four Asian spp; the Madagascan [I]Ploceus[/I] spp are sister to the African typical weaver/malimbe radiation; in this African radiation, the species usually placed in [I]Ploceus[/I] (i.e., [I]Textor[/I] sensu TiF) are paraphyletic wrt [I]Malimbus[/I]. The authors suggest lumping the entire African radiation ([I]Malimbus[/I], [I]Anaplectes[/I], [I]Textor[/I] sensu TiF) into a quite (too?) broad [I]Malimbus[/I]. (Which at least has the advantage that we don't need to worry too much about which subclade most unsampled species fall in.) (Main remaining "mysteries", in my view: [I]Brachycope anomala[/I]/[I]Ploceus anomalus[/I] [looks like it might be a bishop, based on two [I]very[/I] short (100bp) published cox1 sequences, but I wouldn't bet too much on this] and [I]Pachyphantes[/I]/[I]Ploceus superciliosus[/I] [seems pretty distinct, based on a single 297bp-long published cox1 sequence; can't really say more; and of course one single sequence can always 'be wrong' for one or another reason].) [/QUOTE]
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