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Message: <blockquote data-quote="stephen b" data-source="post: 3412330" data-attributes="member: 80110">Have had both and still have the Leica 8x20 Ultravid. The Swaro 8x25 CL is a mighty fine small binocular; really excellent. But... it does not "absolutely kill" the 8x20 Ultravid. Good that we all have choices to make with a number of fine optics out there. And Dennis- just because you have something, it does not mean yours is the absolute best, and the other choices are rubbish. Think you need to rethink and tone down your school yard rhetoric.</blockquote>