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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mb1848" data-source="post: 1672769" data-attributes="member: 31036">Rainier, thank you for all the information.  This is a complex case.  If it is not biological science to kick out evidence like the harrier picture, my legal argument is that it should be given less weight, less heft than the caracara picture and description as published in 1648.  Especially thank you for this:"Schneider (1786) had called Bloch's attention to the plates, who used them for a number of copper engravings of fishes. Schneider tried to identify 13 bird species, with minimal success. Then Illiger took notice of them but died before he could publish anything. Lichtenstein continued and identified many of the bird species."  But I believe that Illiger actually did publish something about the Dutch Brazil birds, in fact about the Caracara.This is from Illiger's 1811 Prodromus systematis mammalium et avium:Sunt rêvera duae Falconum species nondum descriptae e Brasilia allatae, tota rostji et pedum structura Gallinaceis, praesertim Penelopibus, ita similes, ut notis externis aegre ab iis distinguantur. Alus Falconibus Brasiliensibus tarsi admodum elongati sunt. This is from page 234 of:<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=hJY-AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Prodromus+systematis+mammalium+et+avium&cd=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false" target="_blank">http://books.google.com/books?id=hJY-AAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Prodromus+systematis+mammalium+et+avium&cd=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false</a> My Latin is slightly better than my German neither are good.  But I think Illiger addresses the confusion between the Gallinacious like bird called Caracara Laurent thought was feral guinea fowls.  Illiger also uses the word Brasiliensibus as had Marcgrave. I would be interested in a translation of this sentence.</blockquote>

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