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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steve C" data-source="post: 1280429" data-attributes="member: 56622">Kevin,Here is a cut and paste from another forum.  First my question to Doug at Cameraland NY, and his responseQuestion:.... next question is, are they a design of a Chinese company that Promaster bought off of the shelf, or are they a Promaster design? Or somebody else's design? For example, I know that most of the Vortex designs they do themselves and they build the prototypes in Wisconsin and the actual production is contracted out (or at least from Fury quality up), .... Just wondering if the same applied here.Response:I spoke to the powers that be at Promaster and asked your questions and the reply was:"They are unique to Promaster. We designed our own optics featuring repellamax and transbright coatings. The body was designed and tooled to our specs"I pass this on for what it is worth.  I suppose it may come down to how "designed" is defined.Well, I see you were there already so this is not news to you.</blockquote>