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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kevin Purcell" data-source="post: 1281024" data-attributes="member: 68323">They may well be using the same process as Promaster (as I outlined in the comments earlier).Though as a purist I'd separate specification and testing from design though they're all part of the product development process. The process has three components. First you spec the product based one a perceived market, then you do the optical and mechanical design, then you test and accept or reject that design (and go around the loop).Of course marketing and PR when you ask them if they "design" their own bins they say "yes" for their definition of "design" which is basically determining the feature set and specifying the optical features. But that's not really design to me.The other route here is hiring external consultants too. You could work with them to do an overall optical design and then they work with the OEM but it seems that you need to know a fair bit about what the OEM can do (in a rather precise manner) so you can come up with a design they can actually make (and does what you want).Obviously we need someone in the business to tell us how it's done <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>