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Quest for high quality 6x30ish new or used? (1 Viewer)

Hello all! I’ve been on a bit of a quest for a high quality low magnification compact binocular for hiking.

Years back, a friend had a pair of the Vortex Viper 6x32 HD’s on a multiday canoe trip. I was very impressed with the quality and especially fine focus. I don’t remember a great deal about the overall image quality beyond loving the combination of low magnification, wide field of view and general handiness of the size. They were so easy to hold steady and scan treelines, banks and hillsides quickly.

However I soon forget that and got on the bigger is better bandwagon. I purchased my first high quality bino’s about 4 years ago, Leupold 10x50 BX4. While they were great in low light, they were generally too big and heavy not that impressive image wise for the price. Never could get them to resolve a tack sharp image and all colors seemed a bit flat.

I sold the Leupold and bought a lightly used pair of Zeiss conquest 8x42. I really like them. They are tack sharp almost to the edge and colors come through beautifully. These seem to exemplify to me what modern coatings can do. They are my go to birding bino. I hated it at first, but I’ve learned to love the unique fast focus.

However the compact low magnification bug won’t leave me, 2 years ago I purchased the Kowa 6.5x32. They were neat. Very immersive wide angle view, but image left something to be desired, focus felt cheap and sticky and had a terrible time getting decent focus. I flipped them over to be really disappointed seeing they were not a Japan model anymore and now made in China. I returned them after a few days.

I replaced them with an old mid 90’s manufacture Leica 8x32 BA I found for $350. I absolutely adore these. The image is immersive and tack sharp. Color and light seems to by 9/10 of the larger and far newer Zeiss Conquest. Great focus, great eyecups, great eye relief, and a locking diopter! Why did these ever go away!!! These now stay in my car and get used all the time. My only complaint is they are very heavy for their size. Combined with the higher magnification they aren’t quite as handy as those vortex 6x30.

On a whim just last week put in an offer of $500 for a pair of Swarovski Habichit SLC 7 x30 And I won them. serial # starts with DA7004 Does that mean 2000 manufacturer? They finally arrived today and I was so excited. Could these be the ones? Light- yes , lower magnification-yes, good manufacturer-yes. Unfortunately, raising them to my eyes was the mother of all let downs. The eye relief was not great with the eye shade cups, very tight eyebox, the focus was meh, field of view narrow and the image was frankly underwhelming . It was later in the day. I will try them again in full light to give a better impression, but to be honest, the Leica BA seem better in every way save weight. Even at 8x the Leica’s FOV appeared substantially better with better focus and color transmission. The Swaro might have a touch better edge to edge clarity, but the focus was not nearly as good, the diopter must be one of the worst on a bino ever it was very loose and easily moved. It’s also where one’s index finger naturally rests whereas the focus is down at the other end requiring an odd grip. Frankly I’m dissatisfied with these overall and will very likely be selling.

So I’m back to looking again. I may try the Mavens 6x30 next, but would love any other suggestions on a quality new pair with all the latest technology or a used pair that’s still got what it takes. If I could dream up the perfect pair it would be a modern version of the Leica BA in 6x32 with a few less ounces and modern coatings.

Thanks so much for listening to my quest!
 
These APM porros's are actually quite good for the price at about $250 shipped from Germany. They are 6.5x32, and they come in CF and IF. I liked the IF model because the focuser on the CF model is quite tight, and you don't need to focus a lot at 6.5x because of the good DOF.

 
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Have you looked at the Kowa BD II 6.5x32mm Wide Angle Binocular with “XD” Lens?
Magnification Factor6.5x
Objective Size32.0 mm
Eye Relief17.0mm
Close Focus1.3m
Angular Field of View10.0°
Linear Field of View525 feet at 1000 yards
Twilight Factor14.5



Yes, I actually did buy them returned them.
They were neat. Very immersive wide angle view, but image left something to be desired, focus felt cheap and sticky and had a terrible time getting decent focus. I flipped them over to be really disappointed seeing they were not a Japan model anymore and now made in China. I returned them after a few days. They might actually be the best that’s readily available nowadays. Would be very interested if anyone has any options that are any better with a better focus and glass.
 
These APM porros's are actually quite good for the price at about $250 shipped from Germany. They are 6.5x32, and they come in CF and IF. I liked the IF model because the focuser on the CF model is quite tight, and you don't need to focus a lot at 6.5x because of the good DOF.

Very interesting. Thanks for sending! Do you know where these are made?
 
I tried the Swarovski SLC 7x30 today in full sun. Certainly better, but still underwhelming being narrow FOV. The narrow eye box is very frustrating and distracts from the view constantly. This frustration is surpasseed by the focus wheel being so far down that to use it with your index finger you cannot fit all your fingers on the barrel leading to a haphazard grip with fingers out past the objective. Maybe one could learn to run the focus with your pinkie finger?
 
I purchased the Kowa 6.5x32. They were neat. Very immersive wide angle view, but image left something to be desired, focus felt cheap and sticky and had a terrible time getting decent focus. I flipped them over to be really disappointed seeing they were not a Japan model anymore and now made in China.
I'm not sure the BD range ever were made in Japan; and they've always been mid-range at best.

6x30 is a bit of a rare bird. Have you checked out the current Vortex 6x32 (since you liked the model you tried)? The (PRC-made) 6.5x32 is reportedly very good image-wise, has a large field of view, but isn't compact.
 
I'm not sure the BD range ever were made in Japan; and they've always been mid-range at best.

6x30 is a bit of a rare bird. Have you checked out the current Vortex 6x32 (since you liked the model you tried)? The (PRC-made) 6.5x32 is reportedly very good image-wise, has a large field of view, but isn't compact.
Does vortex make a 6x32 today?
 
Does vortex make a 6x32 today?

Based on a quick search, it looks like the only current Vortex 6x32 HD is the Bantam (?), designed primarily for children and MSRP of @ $70 to 100. The now discontinued Vortex Viper 6x32 which you liked is sometimes available used. I've seen some confusing / contradictory info on whether it was ever made in the HD version but appears it was based on your experience.

I have tried only the Maven 7x28 which had a very nice image but my sample had a sub par focus function and I never got around to returning it for a repair or a better sample.

Just a suggestion if you are inclined: My Kowa 6.5x32 is apparently a "cherry". The focus is very smooth and even in both directions. The compromises inherent at the price and given the very wide FOV are more than worth it for me. But a bad focus function will negate even the best optical quality. May be worth it for you to give a better sample of the Kowa a second trial. No affiliations.

Mike
 
Based on a quick search, it looks like the only current Vortex 6x32 HD is the Bantam (?), designed primarily for children and MSRP of @ $70 to 100. The now discontinued Vortex Viper 6x32 which you liked is sometimes available used. I've seen some confusing / contradictory info on whether it was ever made in the HD version but appears it was based on your experience.

I have tried only the Maven 7x28 which had a very nice image but my sample had a sub par focus function and I never got around to returning it for a repair or a better sample.

Just a suggestion if you are inclined: My Kowa 6.5x32 is apparently a "cherry". The focus is very smooth and even in both directions. The compromises inherent at the price and given the very wide FOV are more than worth it for me. But a bad focus function will negate even the best optical quality. May be worth it for you to give a better sample of the Kowa a second trial. No affiliations.

Mike
Thanks so much Mike! Yes you are correct on all. I believe there were two versions of the vortex viper both had and non had made. They do come up for sale but extremely rarely. According to eBay it’s been well over a year since a pair were listed. My experience with the Kowa’s was not great. While optically they appeared impressive, I quickly returned them. The focus mechanism was not in good working order. Unfortunately I have found this to be true of other PRC made optics from Kowa, Vortex,etc. The quality control is just quite low relative to optics coming from Japan, USA, Germany, etc.

I’ve had mixed impression of mavens as well. I have not been impressed with their lower end c series at all. Have only had a chance to sample b series 8x42 once very quickly and it was pretty good, but not great from what I recall.
 
I had the Vortex Bantam until I gave it to a child. It was actually a pretty nice little binocular. Much better then I thought it would be.
 
I have the 6x30 B series Maven's. They are very good. A 6x is great for dealing with the shakes. It is very clear and bright.
 
I have the Kowa 6.5 and I did a week demo of the Maven 6x30.

My first Kowa was excellent optically, bit the focus wheel was nearly frozen in place. I returned it to them and they promptly sent me a new unit - no hassle at all. I feel that optically, its a hair behind my first sample but everything else works well. So, depending on the qc, there is variation between units.

What struck me while demoing the Maven was that it seemed it and the Kowa both pulled parts from the same parts bin. The focusers are identical twins, the eye cups are fraternal twins, etc. the AFOV on the Kowa is better than the Maven, as is the FOV. If ine has a very narrow IPD, the Kowa is not as narrow as the SFL, Leica, NL - and the Kowa has a thicker/wider eyecup than those: the Maven eyecup is not quite as thick/wider and is a hair narrower than the Kowa but still a hair wide for those with very narrow IPD. The Maven feels much skinnier than the Kowa. The view is good - but I did not feel the unit I had matched my Kowa - It felt a step behind in many aspects optically.

I had both the 6x and the 8x in hande for my demo. The difference in FOV and magnification was subtle but noticeable. My partner preferred the 8x, and I preferred the 6x. Innthe end, decided not to keep the 6x because it was still a hair to wide for my ipd to be a comfortable view at all times.

The accessories each company provides are top notch - I think they provide the best included straps of anyone, and only Swaro have better eye/objective covers.
 
I have the Kowa 6.5 and I did a week demo of the Maven 6x30.

My first Kowa was excellent optically, bit the focus wheel was nearly frozen in place. I returned it to them and they promptly sent me a new unit - no hassle at all. I feel that optically, its a hair behind my first sample but everything else works well. So, depending on the qc, there is variation between units.

What struck me while demoing the Maven was that it seemed it and the Kowa both pulled parts from the same parts bin. The focusers are identical twins, the eye cups are fraternal twins, etc. the AFOV on the Kowa is better than the Maven, as is the FOV. If ine has a very narrow IPD, the Kowa is not as narrow as the SFL, Leica, NL - and the Kowa has a thicker/wider eyecup than those: the Maven eyecup is not quite as thick/wider and is a hair narrower than the Kowa but still a hair wide for those with very narrow IPD. The Maven feels much skinnier than the Kowa. The view is good - but I did not feel the unit I had matched my Kowa - It felt a step behind in many aspects optically.

I had both the 6x and the 8x in hande for my demo. The difference in FOV and magnification was subtle but noticeable. My partner preferred the 8x, and I preferred the 6x. Innthe end, decided not to keep the 6x because it was still a hair to wide for my ipd to be a comfortable view at all times.

The accessories each company provides are top notch - I think they provide the best included straps of anyone, and only Swaro have better eye/objective covers.
Thanks so much for the review!! This is exactly what I needed
 
Have you considered the Retrovid 7x35? While not exactly up to your specifications, they are very compact and a lot of people find them very relaxing to use.
 
Have you considered the Retrovid 7x35? While not exactly up to your specifications, they are very compact and a lot of people find them very relaxing to use.
Like these? Leitz Trinovid 7x35BA 150m/1000m Binoculars, Excellent Condition ð⨠| eBay

Or these? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...dujVshuJnbpJxwuQm4MuTSnqj9fQD928aAtAjEALw_wcB

My father has an old pair of Leitz 7 x35 and they are great! However suffer from the same limitations of all older generations.
 
The modern ones from your second link. I recommend giving them a go, they fit the requirements from your op quite well.
 

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