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Quest for high quality 6x30ish new or used? (1 Viewer)

Has anyone tried the 6x Maven’s?
I have the 6x30 Maven’s,
I have them for those unexpected or accidental birding moments since they’re more likely to be in my bag when I’m out and about. The FOV is nice and they’re lightish, compact and bright. Not quite as sharp in the center as my SF’s but that’s to be expected. Decently sharp out to the edges.
The focus is a bit stiff but I’m at the point now where I don’t notice.
Build quality is fine as well, I get the impression they could take a fair amount of abuse.

I really like my copy and If I lost them I’d splash out for another pair without hesitation.
 
Well I broke down and took another chance on the KOWA 6.5x32. I should not have. While the optics are indeed great, mechanically these binocular are junk and will fail on you. The first pair of mine focused started failing within days. This 2nd pair did not last the first day, one of the twist up eye cups has already cracked and come off . What utter junk. I have had $25 Tasco binos that lasted longer. From what I’ve read on this forum getting them repaired under warranty might be a tall order. It doesn’t appear that a replacement eyecup can be ordered from a quick search. Very disappointed. Should have gone with a reputable company like Maven or Leica and not this Kowa junk.
 
APM 6.5x32 might be worth a try. Optically excellent, but with a few quirks. And some lemons here and there. Check the thread in "Others".

Hermann
 
Well I broke down and took another chance on the KOWA 6.5x32. I should not have. While the optics are indeed great, mechanically these binocular are junk and will fail on you. The first pair of mine focused started failing within days. This 2nd pair did not last the first day, one of the twist up eye cups has already cracked and come off . What utter junk. I have had $25 Tasco binos that lasted longer. From what I’ve read on this forum getting them repaired under warranty might be a tall order. It doesn’t appear that a replacement eyecup can be ordered from a quick search. Very disappointed. Should have gone with a reputable company like Maven or Leica and not this Kowa junk.
Just like Nikon and many other Japanese companies, Kowa has a product range from cheap to very expensive and they have world-leading products in their scopes and a binocular telescope. Their non-premium products are manufactured outside Japan.
Your abuse was uncalled-for and perhaps a failure after one day was a result of personal abuse?
AFAIK no manufacturer offers spare parts online but if you call your local distributor and ask them politely, perhaps they will send you a new eyecup FOC.
 
Just like Nikon and many other Japanese companies, Kowa has a product range from cheap to very expensive and they have world-leading products in their scopes and a binocular telescope. Their non-premium products are manufactured outside Japan.
Your abuse was uncalled-for and perhaps a failure after one day was a result of personal abuse?
AFAIK no manufacturer offers spare parts online but if you call your local distributor and ask them politely, perhaps they will send you a new eyecup FOC.

No abuse intended. Rereading my post I could see one might assume I was impugning all of Kowa. Apologies if it was taken that way. Vortex and Leupold make some junk too!

I have taken optics from Leupold and Leica into the field a thousand times and have yet to break one of them yet. However, from my tiny sample size of two pairs these Kowa’s apparently would struggle to make it out the box unscathed. Optically they are very impressive. Unfortunately their mechanics appear to either be defective from the factory or too fragile for actual use. If this had occurred months or years into ownership I’d definitely pursue repairs. However, as two pairs have mechanically failed within days of taking delivery, these will be returned. Just little point in owning something that could fail so easily and ruin a day out.

I’m sad as again optically they are impressive, but more of a toy and not a tool worthy of $400.


Here are some photos of the broken eye cup. There appears to be a large amount of some sort of debris in the threads. I suspect this may have been a contributing factor.
 

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I have the 6x30 Maven’s,
I have them for those unexpected or accidental birding moments since they’re more likely to be in my bag when I’m out and about. The FOV is nice and they’re lightish, compact and bright. Not quite as sharp in the center as my SF’s but that’s to be expected. Decently sharp out to the edges.
The focus is a bit stiff but I’m at the point now where I don’t notice.
Build quality is fine as well, I get the impression they could take a fair amount of abuse.

I really like my copy and If I lost them I’d splash out for another pair without hesitation.
Thanks! This is likely what I will try next!
 
Just like Nikon and many other Japanese companies, Kowa has a product range from cheap to very expensive and they have world-leading products in their scopes and a binocular telescope. Their non-premium products are manufactured outside Japan.
Your abuse was uncalled-for and perhaps a failure after one day was a result of personal abuse?
AFAIK no manufacturer offers spare parts online but if you call your local distributor and ask them politely, perhaps they will send you a new eyecup FOC.
Hi Tringa, I thought I would close the loop on this. After speaking with Kowa and waiting about a week they did get back to me and have told me if I pay to ship the bino's to them they will send me a brand new pair. While this is great warranty service from Kowa, I think it speaks to the quality of this particular model. IE, its cheaper for Kowa to just ship out a brand new pair instead of attempting repairs. Therefore, I'm returning them to the original seller for a refund and will look at other options. Again my apologies if any offense was caused with my "Junk" comment directed at these binos.
 
You cannot buy $25 binoculars and have very high expectations.
Sorry that was in reference to some Tasco's. My point being the focus and eye cups on those mechanically held up just fine. The view left much to be desired!!

I think we take it for granted that $400 binos are going to be mechanically sound, in this case it has not proven true with this particular Kowa model.
What I am trying to say is it doesn't matter if its a Swaro or a Tasco, if the focus or an eye cup is poorly manufactured or overly fragile the entire instrument is not worth very much to anyone.
 
I JUST received a pair of Maven 6x30s in the mail. Overall I think they're lovely, but there are some caveats that may or may not bother you.

The positives

1. Magnification. My biggest concern (and the reason I ordered these for an elder family member and not myself) is that 6x seems pretty low mag for birding. I was incorrect. I tried them side by side with Zeiss 7x and Swaro 8x (NL32 and CL-B) and the difference is noticeable but not enough to impact bird ID from moderate range (think, “backyard birding”)

2. Eye placement. I find the eye placement is easy and comfortable, which I expected based on the 5mm exit pupil but I think the relatively large ocular diameter is also part of this (similar to swarovski NL 8x32, wider than CL-B 8x30).

3. View. The view it clear and sharp, though I don't have a resolution chart and don't care to strain myself to nitpick on this, i.e., the edge of the field appears sharp to me but some would probably want to know if it's AS SHARP as the center, and I am not going to try to figure that out - it should be enough to say that I don't see notable differences when comparing to the alphas I have on hand. I do find the colors rich and the contrast stark. Glare, which has come to annoy me a lot in the NL, is present if I try to look near the sun in the Maven, but I have to try and so I would rank this as normal (and the NLs as bad).

4. Focus wheel. The focuser is among smoothest I've felt and it's nice and fast. More consistent than my nearly perfect FL 7x32, no grain like I can sometimes feel in the NL, overall about the same as the CL-B (which is my favorite in this regard).

The negatives

There are three things I don't like, but haven't yet stopped me from playing with the custom builder (while its still all free + discount) to order my own...

1. Eye relief. Eye relief is a little longer than the eyecups. I hate that this ever happens, and I have let go of otherwise awesome binoculars for this, notably the zeiss VP 8x25 and Nikon HG 8x30. Compared to the zeiss VP and Nikon HG, the 'float factor' in the maven 6x30 is very minor - I don't have to find a particular place to always place the eyecup, or use a finger to stabilize the floating binocular (as I do with my Swaro curio), but I can't just plow my eyes into the eyecups like the NL or CL-B. It's slightly worse than my Zeiss FL 7x42, which I have only now discovered I do have a way of holding.

2. Finish. The rubber armor isn't my favorite, but it's fine, good grip but no give. The finish detail that actually bothers me is that many metal edges are quite sharp to the touch. This is especially noticeable on the branding on the tripod cap, when my fingers touch when wrapped around the barrel. I had this same experience with many nikons (M5, M7, HG) and so I would take the cap off, and it was fine. This is more annoying because I chose a nice color for this cap on the Mavens to make them look "fun" for the new owner, and now, if it bothers them too, they will remove the fun colorful accent (pic below shows the cap removed, and then jt feels fine). I also feel that the focus wheel, which is textured for grip, is textured too harshly by the cuts in the metal, so that it feels more like course sand pager or a metal file, and not a touch-friendly surface.

3. Branding. "Maven" is spelled out SEVEN times on this compact binocular - 1) Name plate on the side of the left barrel, 2) etched on the left ocular ring, 3,4,5) etched three time on one of the focus wheel rings, 6) embossed on the tripod cap, 7) embossed on the focus wheel cap. Then there is the logo too. These are all present in the product images, but some are not noticeable unless you zoom in, and only the logo and two "Mavens" are shown in the custom builder. This likely won't bother most people, but it cheapens the look to me.

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I JUST received a pair of Maven 6x30s in the mail. Overall I think they're lovely, but there are some caveats that may or may not bother you.

The positives

1. Magnification. My biggest concern (and the reason I ordered these for an elder family member and not myself) is that 6x seems pretty low mag for birding. I was incorrect. I tried them side by side with Zeiss 7x and Swaro 8x (NL32 and CL-B) and the difference is noticeable but not enough to impact bird ID from moderate range (think, “backyard birding”)

2. Eye placement. I find the eye placement is easy and comfortable, which I expected based on the 5mm exit pupil but I think the relatively large ocular diameter is also part of this (similar to swarovski NL 8x32, wider than CL-B 8x30).

3. View. The view it clear and sharp, though I don't have a resolution chart and don't care to strain myself to nitpick on this, i.e., the edge of the field appears sharp to me but some would probably want to know if it's AS SHARP as the center, and I am not going to try to figure that out - it should be enough to say that I don't see notable differences when comparing to the alphas I have on hand. I do find the colors rich and the contrast stark. Glare, which has come to annoy me a lot in the NL, is present if I try to look near the sun in the Maven, but I have to try and so I would rank this as normal (and the NLs as bad).

4. Focus wheel. The focuser is among smoothest I've felt and it's nice and fast. More consistent than my nearly perfect FL 7x32, no grain like I can sometimes feel in the NL, overall about the same as the CL-B (which is my favorite in this regard).

The negatives

There are three things I don't like, but haven't yet stopped me from playing with the custom builder (while its still all free + discount) to order my own...

1. Eye relief. Eye relief is a little longer than the eyecups. I hate that this ever happens, and I have let go of otherwise awesome binoculars for this, notably the zeiss VP 8x25 and Nikon HG 8x30. Compared to the zeiss VP and Nikon HG, the 'float factor' in the maven 6x30 is very minor - I don't have to find a particular place to always place the eyecup, or use a finger to stabilize the floating binocular (as I do with my Swaro curio), but I can't just plow my eyes into the eyecups like the NL or CL-B. It's slightly worse than my Zeiss FL 7x42, which I have only now discovered I do have a way of holding.

2. Finish. The rubber armor isn't my favorite, but it's fine, good grip but no give. The finish detail that actually bothers me is that many metal edges are quite sharp to the touch. This is especially noticeable on the branding on the tripod cap, when my fingers touch when wrapped around the barrel. I had this same experience with many nikons (M5, M7, HG) and so I would take the cap off, and it was fine. This is more annoying because I chose a nice color for this cap on the Mavens to make them look "fun" for the new owner, and now, if it bothers them too, they will remove the fun colorful accent (pic below shows the cap removed, and then jt feels fine). I also feel that the focus wheel, which is textured for grip, is textured too harshly by the cuts in the metal, so that it feels more like course sand pager or a metal file, and not a touch-friendly surface.

3. Branding. "Maven" is spelled out SEVEN times on this compact binocular - 1) Name plate on the side of the left barrel, 2) etched on the left ocular ring, 3,4,5) etched three time on one of the focus wheel rings, 6) embossed on the tripod cap, 7) embossed on the focus wheel cap. Then there is the logo too. These are all present in the product images, but some are not noticeable unless you zoom in, and only the logo and two "Mavens" are shown in the custom builder. This likely won't bother most people, but it cheapens the look to me.

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Thank you!
 
The actual field of view is good. The AFOV isn’t remarkable but I didn’t find it unpleasant (tunnel-like), and I don’t think someone without an NL or FL handy to compare would even think to comment on it.
 
I've been interested in this one for a while but little info on the web. AFAIK made in Japan. The Hinode 6x30.
 

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