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Question on Arnaldo de Winkelreid Bertoni (1878-1973) (1 Viewer)

Bertoni (1901): "Pues bien, en esta obra describré 100 especies nuevas para este pais, la mayor parte de las cuales serán completamente nuevas para la ciencia. Y aún reservo varias para una segunda publicación, por no tenerlas descritas todavía y faltar actualmente en la parte de mi colección que traje á la capitall."

Google Translate: "Well, in this work I will describe 100 new species for this country, most of which will be completely new to science. And I still reserve several for a second publication, for not having them described yet and currently missing in the part of my collection that I brought to the capital."

How correct is this (Google) translation?
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Björn
 
Thanks guys! That's what I hoped for! And as I wanted it ... :t:

Finally I've got what I need (for my MS). It's about time to read through it all again, time to compile my stacks of notes, and (high) time put it all in writing. Great.

I will try to post some sort of conclusion, about Bertoni and "his" Bird/s, the coming weekend (if time allows).

Cheers!
 
I think we can forget about trying to find a Birth record, as I wished for back in post #15 (as it's, most certainly, already been done).

Either way; Arnoldo da Winkelried Bertoni it must be!

Or at least that's what I will call him, in/at the beginning of my (MS) entry for Bertoni's Antbird Drymophila rubricollis [in Swedish: bertonimyrfågel], as this clearly seems to have been his name at the very start of his Life (in his early Childhood).

The full story and an ultimate account of "our" guy's Father: Mosè Giacomo Bertoni ( 1857–1929), and all the members of his large Family, seems to be found in the book below (also pointed at, by Martin, in post #10):

• L'arca di Mosè: Biografia epistolare di Mosè Bertoni, 1857-1929, by Danilo Baratti & Patrizia Candolfi. Edizioni Casagrande, Bellinzona. 825+ pp. (1994. Google view here, of Ed. 2, 1996), all in Italian. Or here.

This book seems to deal with every part in the most minute detail, of the Life of Mosè Giacomo Bertoni [later (far) better known (in South America, and most definitely so in Paraguay) by the Spanish version of his name; Moisés Santiago Bertoni]. It also deals with his 13(!) Children, at least their earlier years, including "our" guy: Arnoldo da Winkelried Bertoni (1878–1973), most often (in Natural History contexts) known as "Arnaldo de Winkelried Bertoni" (certainly so in South America, and even more so in Paraguay). As Danilo Baratti & Patrizia Candolfi seems to be locals I feel pretty safe/certain that they have both found, and seen, a or any, existing Birth record/s. Note that the Authors themselves (as they write it at the very beginning of the book) "... vivono a Breno (Alto Malcantone) e insegnano storia alla Scuola cantonale di commercio e di amministrazione di Bellinzona" (Bellinzona is the chief town of the canton of Ticino, in southern Switzerland). Not far from Museo della Valle Blenio (where they also seem to know just about everything of the Bertoni Family.

I sure wish I'd found this book earlier on (and I cannot understand why I didn't), simply as it would have saved me (and us all) both time and doubts, as well as quite a few hours of unwarranted work.

However; in March 1884 the Bertoni Family (at that point with 5 children, incl. little Arnoldo) left Europe, for Buenos Aires, where they, after having spent some years in Argentina, settled in Paraguay (in 1887), and there they stayed ... and onwards.

In their new Homeland/Continent they all (fairly quickly) seems to have adapted/adopted and used the Spanish version of their names respectively. Thereby neither version is "wrong", but this seems to be what happened, and how it all went down. I guess one could use either version in a text about the Bertonis, depending on which period of their Life you're dealing with.

Take your pick.

Björn
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A. d. W. Bertoni side-track ...

Here's a small side-track, slightly away from Mr. A. d. W. Bertoni, and "his" Birds ... (but still in the right direction, possibly of relevance, for anyone still in doubt), regarding the Father of Arnoldo (the future Arnaldo). See the following quote, by the same Authors, Danilo Baratti & Patrizia Candolfi, 2014 (from here):
Al llegar a la Argentina, Mosè Giacomo Bertoni se convierte pronto en Moisés Santiago Bertoni, mejor: en el doctor Bertoni
Google Translate: Upon arriving in Argentina, Mosè Giacomo Bertoni soon becomes Moisés Santiago Bertoni, better [a k a]: Dr. Bertoni


Or, like it's told in the very start of the Introducción to this certain part/piece of Flora del Paraguay, by Lorenzo Ramella & Yeni Ramella-Miquel (here, p.1):
En este trabajo hemos pretendido recopilar la obre un hombre apasionado por el estudio de la naturaleza, en particular de la naturaleza paraguaya: Mosè Giacomo Bertoni (Moisés Santiago, para los hispanohablantes).
Ditto Translate: In this work we have tried to compile the work of a man who is passionate about the study of nature, particularly Paraguayan nature: Mosè Giacomo Bertoni (Moisés Santiago, for Spanish speakers).

Even more on Mosè/Moisés here (all in Italian).

I'd say that the name of young Arnoldo da ... went the same way, and that he quickly, in his new homeland/Continent, adapted/became known as (in its Spanish version): Arnaldo de ... (also confirmed in the quote, in Martin's Post #10).

More on Mosè/Moisés Bertoni (Sr.), and his utopian 'Puerto Bertoni', can be read (if fluent in Italian, of course) in the Paper: «Utopizzazione» e realtà di Puerto Bertoni, by the same Danilo Baratti & Patrizia Candolfi, in Archivio Storico Ticinese 146 (Seconda serie, Bellinzona, Dicembre 2009): pp. 249-270.

To be continued ... (later this weekend).

/B
 
A little more on the whole Bertoni Family itself.

Arnoldo's Father Mosè (or Moisés, if his Spanish name is preferable) surely came up with some rather odd (and somewhat anarchic) names of his Children! See here.

Noteworthy [as it might be (somewhat) confusing, when dealing with Arnoldo's (alt. Arnaldo's) own accounts, or when reading texts about him] is the seventh Child, Arnoldo's younger Brother; Moisés Santiago Bertoni (1887–1967), born in South America, who was given the exact same (Spanish) name as the one his/their Father had got in/on their new Continent.

This guy maybe, might, could possibly, be of etymological interest, if there's an Eponym commemorating an unspecified M. S. Bertoni, but without access to the dear HBW (no longer) Alive Key it's hard to tell. I couldn't find such a taxon in the Richmond Index. As M. Bertoni (Senior) also was a well reputed naturalist I can imagine that he as well could have been commemorated in an eponym of his own. He certainly was, in other scientific (non-bird) names. And if so, there could be a risk of confusion/mix-up, between the two M. S. Bertoni (Sr. versus Jr.) ... !

Is there such a bird James?

As in yet another bird (this far not dealt with), possibly by the name; bertoni/i, alt. mocei/i alt. moisesi/i, or even a giacomoi/giacomi alt. santiag/oi/i (or similar)? Or even a bertoniorum?

Either way; as a Swedish Natural History nerd I certainly noted Child No.12, Arnoldo's second youngest Brother, the unfortunate, fairly short-lived: Carlo Linneo Bertoni (1898–1915). ;)

Björn
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James, thanks for checking, kind of a relief ... ;)

This as I have prepared a longer List/post dealing with the multitude of eccentric names, on the Bertoni kids themselves (simply as I found it fascinating, just a good story, for my MS, more meat on the bone). Now, following your reply, I don't have to add anything (like another unknown bird/s, or eponym/s, to this List). Great, I was just about finished.

Consequently; Arnoldo da Winkelried Bertoni [or Arnaldo de ditto, as he was known at the time of description/s] seems to be the only one in the Bertoni Family commemorated in Ornithological nomenclature (both in scientific and in Common/Vernacular names).

I will try to compile my List of the Bertoni siblings, later this evening, hopefully I can post it tomorrow.

We´ll see ...

/B
 
Here's an even longer post, with even more additional info on the Bertoni Family ... following the (to me, seemingly very trustworthy) book by Baratti & Candolfi (link in post #26), and note that this is a List of no true Ornithological value, with nothing additional regarding any of the Etymologies, at least not of any of the Birds/Eponyms we've been dealing with this far. It's compiled simply for the fun of it. It's nothing but a true (and somewhat lengthy) side-track ...

The Bertoni Family – a Family of Odd and Peculiar Names

First; Mosè Giacomo Bertoni (1857–1929), in South America a k a Moisés Santiago Bertoni, was the second Child (and ditto Son) of Ambrogio Bertoni and Giuseppina Torriani. This Mosè Giacomo Bertoni married Eugenia (neé Rossetti) in 1876, and they had the following 13 [!] children, originally named:


1. Reto Divicone Bertoni, born 1877, in (the Italian, and Italian-speaking parts of) Switzerland, who died in 1968 (thus not Reto Dividone Bertoni, as have been claimed) ... named after the people of Reti, who in Ancient times occupied the Valleys of today's canton Grisons/Graubünden/Grigioni, claimed to have been the descendants of Etruscans and Egyptians + Divicone (Divico), a Celtic King of the Helvetian clan/tribe Tigurini , who victoriously fought the Romans (back in 107 BC).


2. ["our guy"!] Arnoldo da Winkelried Bertoni, born 1878, in (the ditto Italian parts of) Switzerland, who died in 1973 (originally not Arnold, nor Arnaldo de/di Winkelried Bertoni, not at the very beginning of his life, and definitely never ... Winkelreid, nor Wilkenried ..., as all have been claimed in some texts) ... named after (just like Martin pointed out in post #10): the Medieval, legendary Swiss National hero in the tri-lingual Switzerland (French/German/Italian) known as: Arnold von alt. de/da Winkelried (or without the von/de/da part), a Mythical figure who is supposed to have sacrificed himself, or was killed/slain, alt. died shortly after (or survived, it's hard to say; a Myth is a Myth, if nothing else, he is said to have been involved in) the Battle of Sempach, way back in year 1386 (in the dark Middle Ages). A Symbol of Swiss Patriotism. [In Sweden we know him as the literary, legendary Arnold von Winkelried] English Wikipedia here.


3. Vera Zassoulich Bertoni, born 1880, in (the ditto Italian parts of) Switzerland, who died in 1966 (thus not Vera Zasoulich, nor Zasolich Bertoni) ... named after the Russian anarchist and revolutionary Vera Ivanovna Zasulich (1849–1919), a k a Vera/Wera Ivanovna Zasulič, (in Russian: Вера Ивановна Засулич, transcribed in various ways, in different languages (in Sweden we know her as; Vera Ivanovna Zasulitj). English Wiki here.

Later Vera Zassoulich Bertoni became Mrs/Sra (Señora) Jiménez, after having married Juan B. Jiménez.


4. Sofia Perovskaja Bertoni, born 1881, in (the ditto Italian parts of) Switzerland, who died in 1974 (thus neither Sofía Perovskaia Bertoni, nor ditto Perovskoja) ... named after the Russian aristocrat, revolutionary, and terrorist (or freedom fighter, depending on views), Sophia Lvovna Perovskaya (1853–1881), member of the Russian revolutionary Party Narodnaja Volja who killed the Russian Tsar Alexander II, in 1881 (she was hanged the same year, after a summary trial). Her Russian name: Со́фья Льво́вна Перо́вская, in Sweden she's known as; Sofia Lvovna Perovskaja (if known at all, of course). English Wiki here.

As "Moisés" calmed down, becoming less and less anarchistic (by age one can assume), and more and more truly patriotic (or simply home-sick?), she was called "Helvecia", in the closest Family (compare with Helvetia, here, or Nueva Helvecia, here). Even later Sofia Perovskoja Bertoni became Mrs/Sra (Señora) Mereles, after having married José Mereles.


5. Ines Bertoni, born 1883, in (the ditto Italian parts of) Switzerland, who died as a young girl, in 1886 ... named after; who knows? Could be just a pretty name.


6. Misiones Bertoni, born 1884, in (Spanish-talking) Argentina, who died in 1969 (not Missiones Bertoni), probably named after the Argentinian region Misiones (where she was born). In the Family she inherited the name every-day names "Inés" (alt. Ines), after her sadly lost sister. In the Family she was also called 'Tarila'.

Later Misiones Bertoni became Mrs/Sra (Señora) Schrottky, after having married Curt Schrottky*.


7. Moisés Santiago Bertoni, born 1887, in either Argentina or Paraguay? (both Spanish-talking), who died in 1967 ... named after his own Father (in the/its Spanish version!). In the Family he was also called 'Marinero' (the Mariner/Seaman) after having been saved from drowning as a kid (in 1888).


8. Guillermo Tell Bertoni, born 1889, (in Spanish-talking) Paraguay, who died in 1963 (i.e. the Spanish/Paraguayan Version, thus not Guglielmo Tell Bertoni, in the Italian way) ... named after another (far more famous) legendary Swiss folk Hero, from back in the 14th century; William Tell (in English), alt. Guillaume Tell (in French), Wilhelm Tell (in German), Guglielmo Tell (in Italian), Guillermo Tell (in Spanish), etc., etc. – best known for his ability with the bow (and/alt. crossbow), hitting an apple placed on the head of his Son. In Sweden we know him as Wilhelm Tell. English Wiki, here. In the Family, and among friends, this Bertoni, was often called, quite simply; 'Tell'.


9. Aurora Eugenia Bertoni, born 1891, in (Spanish-talking) Paraguay, who died in 1983 ... maybe named after the divine Morning Goddess Aurora (alt. Aurōra), known from Latin poetry and/or Roman mythology, who knows? Though note that Aurora (meaning; dawn/day-break/to become day) was a popular name (on girls) among radical socialists, and other left-wing people, in the late 1800's. Also compare with the first socialist newspaper L'Aurora, in the Swiss canton Ticino (1901-1916?), where the Bertoni Family (once) lived. Her second name is obviously her mother's, name (Eugenia).

Later Aurora Eugenia Bertoni became Mrs/Sra (Señora) Flores, as she married Santiago Flores.


10. Walter Fürst Bertoni, born 1893, in (Spanish-talking) Paraguay, who died in 1971 ... named after another legendary Swiss Patriot Walter Fürst (who is said to have died in 1317?). English Wiki here. Historisches Lexikon der Schweiz, here.


11. Werner Stauffacher Bertoni, born 1895, in (Spanish-talking) Paraguay, who died in 1988 ... named after yet another Swiss National hero; Werner Stauffacher** (also titled Landammann, one of the 'founding fathers' of today's Switzerland), back in the early 1300's. English Wiki, here.


12. Carlos Linneo Bertoni, born 1898, (in Spanish-talking) Paraguay, who also died young, in 1915 ... named after The Great Swedish naturalist, Carl Linnaeus (1707–1778), the Father of today's Scientific Nomenclature himself, a k a Carl von Linné, (after having been Knighted in 1757, in Sweden he's rarely called anything but the latter). A name, and guy, that (in this BirForum) needs neither an explanation, nor any further presentation/introduction.


13. Aristóteles Eugenio Bertoni, born 1900, in (Spanish-talking) Paraguay, who died in 1990 ... named after the (more than well-known) Greek philosopher, and multi-talented scientist Aristotle (384–322, BC), alt. Aristote (in French), Aristoteles (in German), Aristotele (in Italian), Ἀριστοτέλης alt. Aristotélēs (in Greek), Aristóteles (in Spanish), Aristoteles, in Swedish, etc., etc.. – often also titled; the very first Naturalist (alt. Natural Philosopher) + the male version of his Mum's name.

What a Crowd! Certainly names in duty to oblige (no pressure from "daddy"). Naming one of his Kids after himself, among such models, seems a bit conceit, or somewhat megalomanic (alt. purely narcissistic). ;)


Note that the spellings of their Original given names differ somewhat to what's claimed in quite a few other texts on the internet. Their Original names seem to follow the way their name/s is/was, or ought to be written, in the languages spoken, in the Country where they, each and every kid, were born respectively. Mosè/Mosés simply followed the traditions of every Country where his kids were born, one after the other ...

Disclaimer: Take all of the above for what it's worth. I haven't dug very deep in every other detail, neither in any year/s in the various parts of all those (more or less famous, or infamous) people behind the Names of the Bertoni kids. See it as a rough sketch (a sort of 'fun to know') of; from whom they all got their (odd-ball) names, and how each name was written (and the very start of their lives) respectively. And note (again) that; only Arnoldo ("Arnaldo") was/is commemorated in Ornithological nomenclature, at least as far as we know.

The explanations of all those names, of all those Kid's, are (in parts) based on what's told in this document (all in Italian, found here; Approfondimenti, No.8); I nomi dei figli di Eugenia e Mosè (though without understanding much Italian, helped/supported by Google Translate).

And, as always; don't hesitate to remark on any of it, if I've got something wrong (even in the most minor detail).

The whole Family, incl. Mosé's Mother Giuseppina (Arnoldo's Grandmother) left Europe in early March 1884 [i.e. on the 3rd of March 1884 (on the 8th, according to other documents?)] and emigrated to South America, where they arrived in/to Buenos Aires [30th of March 1884], thereafter they lived in Argentina for a couple of years, before they settled down, for good, in Paraguay [in 1887]. In doing so Giuseppina left her husband Ambrogio, as well as her younger Son Brenno (1860–1945), and followed her oldest (surviving***) Son on his adventure, across the Atlantic ... and onwards.

There's far more to tell (not Guillermo Tell ;)), but this will simply have to do.

Enjoy!

Björn

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*Curt Schrottky (1874–1937), was a "Russian" Entomologist (or "Polish", if preferable, he was born in today's Poland), who became the Son-in-Law to "Moisés Santiago" Bertoni (Sr.) and Brother-in-law to "Arnaldo", after having married the Daughter/Sister Misiones ('Inés'), in July 1908. Thereby he became part of the Bertoni Family (at least in the outskirts of it/in the extended Larger Family/marrying into it). Schrottky described several insects (mostly Bees/Wasps) and gave quite a few of them the scientific name bertonii, like the Bee "Megachile bertonii" SCHROTTKY 1909 (here), clearly: "Dedicada al señor A. de Winkelried Bertoni", as well as coining the (Ichneumon Flies) Genera named Bertonia SCHROTTKY 1906 (here), equally dedicated: "Zu Ehren meines Freundes A. Winkelried Bertoni bennant, dem glücklichen Entdecker dieser sowie vieler anderer für Fauna Paraguay's neuer Arten". All the other Insects/bugs/Species I haven't checked (simply couldn't be bothered). More about Mr Schrottky here.

**Noteworthy is (or at least it could be) that Arnoldo da Winkelried Bertoni (or Arnaldo de Winkelried Bertoni, if the Spanish version is preferable) also named a bird after the same hero; the "Myiachus Stauffacherianus" (in his work of 1901, on pp.117-118): "... ; especie dedicada á Werner Stauffacher, uno de los tres héroes del Grütli" (thus it's not aimed at his younger Brother, which is easy to believe). His younger Brother was only a kid when this bird got its name.

***Ambrogio and Giuseppina did have an even older Son; Enrico (born in 1844), but he died as a young man (in 1866), prior to Giuseppina's emigration, the same sad faith also struck their Daughter Elvezia (born 1865) who also died in her youth/prime (in 1883), which might explain why Giuseppina couldn't leave her (favourite?) Son Mosè (the future Moisés). In South America and Paraguay, Giuseppina was known as Josefina (until her death in 1908).

Well, that's them, that's the Bertoni Family!

End of Post.

/B
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Bertoni Summary/Conclusion

For anyone, and everyone, who couldn't be bothered reading my previous long, seemingly never-ending, and somewhat verbose post ...

Here's a last, and final conclusive post, regarding A. da/de W. Bertoni, and "his" Birds ...

bertonii as in:
• the invalid scientific name "Euscarthmus gularis bertonii" STOLZMANN 1926 (link to OD in post #1), the latter with a clear reference to p.55 of Bertoni's own "Fauna Paraguaya ...; 1911, p. 55" [a synonym of today's Ochre-faced Tody-Flycatcher Poecilotriccus plumbeiceps (Lafresnaye, 1846)]

As well as the Common/Vernacular name ...

Bertoni's as in:
• Bertoni's Antbird for Drymophila rubricollis BERTONI 1901 (link to OD in post #7) [a k a bertonimyrfågel, in Swedish, thereby my interest]

= the Swiss-born, Paraguayan naturalist and collector (born as) Arnoldo da Winkelried Bertoni (1878–1973), later (in South America, and most certainly in Paraguay) far better known by/in the Spanish version of his name; Arnaldo de Winkelried Bertoni.

In short; born 28 December 1878, in the tiny town/village Lottigna (not Lottiga), in the alpine Valley of Blenio, in canton/kanton Ticino, in the Italian (and Italian-speaking) parts of Switzerland, who (as a kid, with his Parents and Family, of course) left Europe in March 1884 (for Buenos Aires). After a few years in Argentina they settled in Paraguay (in 1887), and there he (and they) stayed, until he (and his brother Guillermo) left for Asunción, in 1917, an onwards ... until he died in August 1973, in the same Asunción, the Capital of Paraguay.

Well, that's about it.

Mr Bertoni ... over and out!

Björn
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Moisés Santiago Bertoni ist still alive and minister in Paraguay 🧐. But of course his great grandchild. His father Hernando Milciades Bertoni (1924-1992) was as well minister of agriculture. I think two plants are dedicated to him (Eurystyles bertonii, Syn: Synanthes bertonii).

We are pleased to name this species in honor of Hernando Bertoni, Minister of Agriculture and Livestock of Paraguay, who, in keeping with a long family tradition, has been an active supporter of conservation and natural history studies in Paraguay.
 
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Another example that the authors of The Eponym Dictionary of Birds haven't looked into the OD.

Bertoni's Antbird Drymophila rubricollis Bertoni, 1901
Tody Flycatcher ssp. Euscarthmus gularis bertonii Stolzmann, 1926 NCR [JS Poecilotriccus plumbeiceps]
Dr Moises Santiago Bertoni (1857–1929) was an Italian Swiss biologist, meteorologist, cartographer, agronomist, ornithologist and naturalist. He studied law but (1875) abandoned it for natural sciences. Shortly after the birth of his son, Arnoldo de Winkelried Bertoni (1878–1973), he left Europe and settled in Misiones, Argentina. He then moved to Paraguay (1886), where he established the Swiss colony 'William Tell' on the Parana River on the border with Argentina. The site is now called Puerto Bertoni. the first Director of the College of Agriculture in Asunción.

As Bertoni's Antbird was decribed by Arnaldo de Winkelried Bertoni why should the name be for his father?

And on the synonym was written:

Ma supposition se confirme par le fait, que mr. A. de Winkelried Bertoni dans sa "Fauna Paraguayana" (Asuncion; 1911, p. 55) dit: "mes exemplaires son intermédiares entre L'Euscarthmus russatus". Or cette dernière espèce possède les deux raies alaires d'un roux ferrugineux. Il faut ajouter que les oiseaux recueillis par mr. Bertoni venaient du haut Paraná.
 
Has anyone access to here in Family Search? I ask as he may burried in Cementerio de Recoleta in Asuncion. It seems not 100% certain that he died in 1973.
 
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Familysearch is free but these records are not digitized so you need to look at every one and there are 400 burials at Recoleta in 1973 alone. Can you tell me why you think he was buried at Recoleta? There are 3 big cemeteries in Asuncion and he could be at another..

Ancestry website suggests:

Death 3 Aug 1977 • Asuncion, Central Paraguay, Paraguay

The family appears to have a crypt or burial ground at Puerto Bertoni, where several of the brothers and their mother, father, and grandmother are interred. This was clearly a family tradition as Moises jnr died in Encarnación but was buried here.
 
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Because I got a mail from Bolívar R. Garcete Barrett Museo Nacional de Historia Natural del Paraguay (I contacted him due his article The collection of Arnaldo de Winkelried Bertoni) with this content:

I was recently discussing about the date of death of A.W. Bertoni with John Kochalka and Sergio Ríos and we are really not sure even about the year. All of the information we got was conversational, some people mentioning 1973, others 1976 or even 1977 from others. And the exact date is a bigger question. I don't know if there is an official registry open to the public to search for the date. That would be good. The other alternative is to find his grave, wich Sergio Ríos heard it was in the Recoleta Cemetery. The problem is that it is a very large graveyard and we don't have a clue about at least in which sector of it would be his grave, if it still exists in a visible way.

I asked him as he wrote in his publication:
Around the 30's he moved to Asuncion to work with the Ministry of Agriculture, bringing a part of his collection and eventually depositing it in the basement of the Banco Agricola (now Banco de Fomento) where Winkelried had his last office. That collection was said to be there after his death and had been considered lost by most foreign entomologists.

Early this year I asked Siemens Bertoni, Winkelried's nephew and Director of the MNHNP at that time, to investigate what happened to the collection in the Banco de Fomento.

Yes this family seems everywhere in Paraguay. Even the current Ministro de Agricultura y Ganadería is related to the family.

Due to the mail and....

Death 3 Aug 1977 • Asuncion, Central Paraguay, Paraguay

...suddently even the year 1973 is in question.
 
No document provided but appears to be a member of the immediate family. The cemetery records of Recoleta are a mess with several books for 1973 and 1977 and pages missing. But I still think that Puerto Bertoni is a more likely burial place. P
 
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