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Message: <blockquote data-quote="chris butterworth" data-source="post: 3290091" data-attributes="member: 64315">As one that agrees with Fugl,  and work in academe, I suppose I'm one of the "elite". Too damn right. I worked hard to get where I am, and I work bloody hard to try and counter the populist, simplistic dumbing down attitude that is insidiously pervading all areas of our society.As for claiming not to know bats were collected? You've posted on other threads on this subject and it's been clearly stated that, as well as birds,  plants and invertebrates,  bats were collected.Your final comment may have just said "Bugger cephalopods, it's only the pretty things I'm concerned about". If the collecting of a bird, that those on the ground consider far more populous than previously known ( ~ 1500 by their estimation ) is an example of the wrongness of collecting specimens, from a moral point of view, then the collecting of cephalopods, plants, invertebrates etc. is equally so. Very far from being  a case of "apples and oranges",</blockquote>