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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RussB" data-source="post: 1802554" data-attributes="member: 75301">Thanks for the comments, guys. Every time I sketch now I try to hold back the desire to fiddle and over-work things. I've known that it's so easy to over-egg things for a while, but still do it! Tufted ducks are a fave subject of mine, mainly because there's not much else to look at on my local res! Spent an hour with them today while looking for migrants and concentrated on sketching birds front or near-front on - postures that have caused me real problems in the past; I could never, ever get the bill right in proportion to the head due to the foreshortenig illusion. Only now am I begining to sort it out. The two done here are still a bit Donald, Huey, Louis and Duey around the face but they are a big step forward for me. The side-on bird is wetted to try and get three tones of 'black', which worked better than I thought it would.Is it just me or are face-on and three-quarter view ducks a real pain to get right?Russ</blockquote>