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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The_Partridge" data-source="post: 2233301" data-attributes="member: 98001">my first reaction was possible Marsh for 1 & 2 as I thought they were the same bird but given they were taken a day apart they may well not be. That was only based on a yellowish suffusion on the underparts but looking at the pictures again I think that is probably due to the light conditions present. I can't see anything else (convincingly) pro-Marsh over Reed. Unless Jane has been able to magnify the photo more than me (which has caught me out before) then I don't feel you can confidently say where the primary emarginations lie based on the original photo sizeas for the very grey-looking 3, I'd put 50p each way on Eastern Olivaceous, unless someone can convince me otherwise. Upcher's pass through Saudi but it doesn't look right (to me) for one, and I was interested to read recently that Hadoram thinks that Upcher's is the most mis-ID'd bird in Israel, with more erroneous claims of it than any other species, due to the variability of EOW (that's not verbatim but my recollection of what I read that someone had said he had said)</blockquote>