request treecreeper advice (1 Viewer)

[Earnest lad]

Sorry to be a nuisance, but please does anyone know what the difference would be in appearance (if any) between the Brown Creeper (certhia americana) and the Eurasian Treecreeper (certhia familiaris)? Perhaps someone knows a link to an article about this.

 

[Butty]

I would start off with Google, and see if it's obvious.

 

[theexpert]

Pretty similar birds, if you don't see them next to each other they are hard to identify.
You can try using these:
Eurasian treecreeper - generally a bit darker than the brown creeper and a higher contrast between the colors of it's feathers.
Brown creeper - Fatter look.

 

[Earnest lad]

Thank you.

 

[Butty]

Having raised the energy to put a couple of field guides alongside each other... maybe it's not at all obvious. Darker uppertail on brown creeper might be the most-obvious difference. Dunno.
And brown creeper is a migrant over a lot of its range...

 

[connorco]

Pulled up some audio of Eurasian Treecreeper, and sure enough they sound pretty different compared to my normal Brown Creepers. Sounds seems like a surefire way to ID them.

 

[Earnest lad]

I understand at one time they were considered the same species

 

[Butty]

...they? From my 5 mins with the field guides it looked more like short-toed treecreeper than regular treecreeper.
Brown creeper has certainly been a species in everything that I've seen - since (my) forever.

 

[D Halas]

...they? From my 5 mins with the field guides it looked more like short-toed treecreeper than regular treecreeper.
Brown creeper has certainly been a species in everything that I've seen - since (my) forever.

The Brown Creeper was considered synonymous with the European Treecreeper by the AOU till the 1983 checklist revision:

Ornithology -- AOU Checklists (4)

 

[Butty]

Fancy that... perhaps they didn't have books with short-toed treecreeper in... 🤔

 

[Earnest lad]

I dug a little deeper and found out the brown creeper, unlike Eurasian Treecreeper, (to the best of my knowledge), has a rufous rump

 

[Butty]

Good point. And Sibley does show it - rather more deeply rufous than in that picture (I think you should say where it's from).

 

[Earnest lad]

Good point. And Sibley does show it - rather more deeply rufous than in that picture (I think you should say where it's from).

Of course Brown Creeper - Whatbird.com