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Mary

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Are these 2 pics of a ring clear enough to be accurate, and have I read it correctly as LE453086, does anyone know? Don't want to send in a wrong number!
 

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Jon Turner

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As far as I can see that looks ok. Blackbirds (like this one) have a ring starting with L (I'm currently using LK+ numbers) and there should be 5 numbers.
 

crapbirder

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As far as I can see that looks ok. Blackbirds (like this one) have a ring starting with L (I'm currently using LK+ numbers) and there should be 5 numbers.

Curious one this, BTO rings fitted to Blackbirds have contained 2 alpha and 5 numeric characters for some years now. How about LE43028?
 

Jon Turner

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Curious one this, BTO rings fitted to Blackbirds have contained 2 alpha and 5 numeric characters for some years now. How about LE43028?

Closer inspection makes me curious too....

Are you certain this is the same bird?

Could be 2 different strings of rings?
 

mark clements

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I have turned it into a negative, cropped it, turned it back and it looks like LE453028

The 5 appears to be directly beneath the u in both pictures.
May be two birds, but both on a big screen appear to match.
 

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Mary

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Many thanks for the interest, everyone, you've got me puzzled! I'm sure it's the same bird from its behaviour - comes to the same place when it sees movement in the kitchen and 'demands' food! I should have chance to get more photos, so will see what else comes up! Birds were ringed in the garden in February last year, so I'm hoping it's one of them.
 

Phil Belman

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It is quite clear from your excellent pics that this is LE43026. You can report it on www.ring.ac and add in a link to the images when you do so, which will enable the ring to be marked as verified by the BTO when they process your recovery.

HTH

Phil
 

mark clements

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Sorry Phil
The number before the 3 on the first photo, has curves, and certainly doesn't look like 4 to me.
On the second photo the number after the 5 appears to star with the top and bottom of a 3 rather than the edge of a 0
Looking like an anomaly by having six numbers (is that unheard of? I am good at manipulating photos, but not as knowledgeable about ring numbers) or two birds...
Happy to be wrong, but baffled
Harry
 

RafaelMatias

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It is quite clear from your excellent pics that this is LE43026. You can report it on www.ring.ac and add in a link to the images when you do so, which will enable the ring to be marked as verified by the BTO when they process your recovery.

HTH

Phil

Hi, I was looking more carefully at the images and do agree, the number is LE43026. There is no 5. Underneath (aligned with) the U (of Museum) is clearly a 3 (on image 1); on image 2, aligned with the same U, is the supposed 5 (in fact a 3, from image 1) and to the left of it there's a 4. I think the supposed curved feeling to the shape of that character on image 1 (the 4) is an illusion. Cheers
 

Phil Belman

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I would add that oblique views of a letter or digit can be very misleading as shadows and highlights come into play. In this case, things aren't helped by the ringer having put the ring on 'upside down' making field or photographic re-sightings that much harder.

It is also an advantage (as a ringer) to be able to compare images with rings from the same series, as the relative position of the serial and the address stamps are then apparent. Just to confuse things, I've even seen series (of BTO rings) where different versions of the same numeral have been stamped on the ring - in one case a 6 with a short top (as normally used) mixed with a 6 with a longer curved top used in the final digit position! Once the manufacturer sets up a production run, this can affect up to one hundred thousand rings.

Phil
 
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Mary

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I would add that oblique views of a letter or digit can be very misleading as shadows and highlights come into play. In this case, things aren't helped by the ringer having put the ring on 'upside down' making field or photographic re-sightings that much harder.

It is also an advantage (as a ringer) to be able to compare images with rings from the same series, as the relative position of the serial and the address stamps are then apparent. Just to confuse things, I've even seen series (of BTO rings) where different versions of the same numeral have been stamped on the ring - in one case a 6 with a short top (as normally used) mixed with a 6 with a longer curved top used in the final digit position! Once the manufacturer sets up a production run, this can affect up to one hundred thousand rings.

Phil

Reckon you're spot on there, Phil! Got a couple more pics this am and it's LE43026. Have sent it off, but without the pics, as there doesn't seem to be a place to add them.
Many thanks to all.
( Reckon this bird will be glad when it can turn the right way up again, must have a headache by now! 8-P)
 

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Mary

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Just to update, from ringing recoveries, there are 2 different numbers/birds. Will keep taking photos when poss, and hope the ring moves round a bit to give different views while the bird is perched!
Strange how two birds behave the same, and different to all the others. One copying the other after seeing it get food?
 

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