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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KenM" data-source="post: 3301364" data-attributes="member: 57880">Originally after consulting Collins, I was ''thinking'' adult T.alpestris as a possibility, due to the ''solid'' white crescent on the chest and scaling being sharp and well defined.If memory serves..the May bird was mostly black with a ''subdued'' white crescent and wing panel, other birds having been seen in April/May (during previous years) both sexes looking much cleaner and better defined than the former.Having only ever seen the occasional adult male and female in Spring, plus immatures in Autumn. Invariably only affording brief views and not particularly confiding, then being confronted with this ''scaled'' individual. Quite unlike anything that I'd seen before, not surprisingly (for me) a degree of confusion crept in.In conclusion...the thrust of this thread was to determine the racial origin of this taxa, I believe this has been achieved, and in doing so has ironed out a misunderstanding that I had with T.torquatus and ssp alpestris.Cheers</blockquote>