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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CliveP" data-source="post: 3318938" data-attributes="member: 85835">Oh dear. Thanks for the information anyhow.You mention the reverse porro 8x25 and the reason I ordered the 8x20 is that I just returned an 8x25 Pentax UP as it just wasn't as good as my Papilio 6.5x or my Vistron 8x25 but around equal or a little better than my Bresser 8x28.I went for the 8x20 as I just don't have a truly pocketable bin since my Hawke Frontier 8x25 broke and it could have pretty bad glare so if this little RSPB fares at least equal to how the Frontier was with a bit less glare then I think it will be good enough for me just to have around as it's not going to be a main bin for me but it is interesting that you think the RSPB reverse porro is the better option although I imagine more bulky and I noticed it had a 6.3 deg fov so pretty similar to the small feeling view from the 6.2 deg Pentax. At least the HD has 6.8 but I get the feeling it doesn't give a great impression of spaceiousness.There was something about the Pentax regarding eye relief at any of the click stops that just didn't feel right and I guess that was part of the reason I realised I would never get on with them so I'm interested to see if the HD is better in that regard. Just relised also that the HD being a demo has no warranty so if I decide to keep it I should definitely make sure it works properly before I sign it off.If it really doesn't work for me I can return it. Just one of those things I have to go through without any decent dealers hereabouts but I like all of my optics that I've settled on through this arduous process, even the Bresser a little (there was no option to return that), which I'm now thinking must basically be the same bin as the Vortex Diamondback? Maybe with slightly different coatings?I'm sort of dreading this HD a bit now but I would rather know the facts so appreciate your assistance. To much glare and it's not going to be hanging around here very long and I have an instant foolproof glare test so I'm going to know pretty quickly. On the other hand it may just work for me, well I hope so and hope I'm replying in  few days with a positive report.At least I've got a good little group of smallish bins to see where it slots in. The Pentax was 3rd of 4. Where will the HD slot in? 2nd or higher and it's definitely a keeper but I'm thinking it may come a close 3rd possibly but even then if it's better than the Pentax was I still think I might keep it just due to it's pocket ability. Certainly I'm curious about it but again must wait until I actually get my hands on the thing.</blockquote>

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