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Message: <blockquote data-quote="macrourus" data-source="post: 1406799" data-attributes="member: 43747">Since I've just been looking at skins in TRING  few days agò, and among them also at samamisicus having seen one at Lampedusa island last autumn and one in Sinai  and would clear up many ID points in my mind...it would be nice Brian if you post also to me those pictures showing nominate P.o.o ...  Indeed, I've seen in the field and found skins with birds like Motmot 's one.  Seen also some in Sicily and in East Europe and Israel, in the latter where I've seen however also typical samamisicus in 1997. Actually, I find far more tricky and difficult and that deserve discussion the ID of some hybrid commonxblakc redstart...some of them having quite samamisicus-like plumage .Brian, would you be so kind to send me a PDF of your great paper on samamisicus?Also, Brian, a pitty we never meet up at TRING, next time we should. Have you seen and studied the skin of Subalpine Warbler from St Kilda from 23.VI.1894 ???  looking quite moltoni like (a bit less pink and a hue more orangish tough) ?CiaoAndrea</blockquote>