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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Motmot" data-source="post: 1407677" data-attributes="member: 72">The deeper I look into this samamisicus 'stuff', the more confused I get. A couple of days ago I received my Feb. British Birds (in a remarkable short time :t<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. When I checked the breeding range given for samamisicus I found this: "Extends from Bolu and the Middle Taurus Mountains in Turkey, east to encompass the Crimea and Caucasus Mountains, and southeast into northern Iran". Surprised, I grabbed the world atlas because that's a much smaller area than the breeding range given for this ssps in the Handbook of the Birds of the World: "S Balkans and Greece E to Turkmenistan, S Uzbekistan and Iran".The BB paper says that Siberian and Southeast Kazakhstan birds look like normal phoenicurus, lacking a white panel. Do we have to assume birds from the S Balkans, Greece, the rest of Iran, Turkmenistan and S Uzbekistan also lack any white wing panel and therefore look like normal phoenicurus?Or am I missing something?</blockquote>