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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Howard King" data-source="post: 1584587" data-attributes="member: 28628">MartinLike many I for one appreciate your long and descriptive response to this Forum  however I would to seek clarification on your first point that of the moult for Greater Sand Plover. It is a point that I am certain will not change the conclusion. As your arguments on all other points as far as I am concerned outweigh any concerns I have over my query.Many Greater SP start arriving back here (Bahrain) as early as early July many still retain what I regard as vestiges or remnants of summer plumage - red or tan colour in breast bands in particular. Many Greater stay until November when they move on with only a few wintering by which time of course they have lost any colour associated with summer plumage, ie. have attained full winter plumage. In post no 19 I attached a recent picture from here of a Greater showing a considerable amount of colour in the chest band, yesterday I photographed another with a slightly less amount of what I regard as retained remnants of summer plumage ie. still shows some colour (see pic attached). I would contend that the amount on the later is equitable with that on the Virgina bird. Maybe I have misinterpreted the definition of remnants of summer plumage I would be interested if you could elaborate further. I have added a second picture of birds from early July (10th) indicating that Greater do move from their breeding ground before undertaking their winter moult</blockquote>

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