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Message: <blockquote data-quote="macrourus" data-source="post: 1595483" data-attributes="member: 43747">Killian,as usual your (both9 reply its a perfect balance of skill and elegance (kindness)...  if you give me your permission i will copy this to EBN Italia forum, where I wrote was a Kentish Plover, and also to lucio maniscalco who is a young but really good birder (he found with me 2nd Laughing Gull in Italy, and several vagrants-good one ! abnd also its very skilled) who would be happy to know my opinion its made sure by KM and also about his words on potential mystakes on that. Ottavio Janni (coeligena in this forum) and me were thinking also to write a small paper for our birding magazine called Quaderni di Birdwatching (you may find info on <a href="http://www.ebnitalia.it" target="_blank">www.ebnitalia.it</a> a nice webpage) ....  The pale collar its mostly visible in faded birds as I reported (and K agree) as the darskish tip of the nape its weared off and the pale father base (barbule and nearby) are shown better....  But may be also in some fresh birds when a pale tips its typical...but not enough experience on that to may comment somehow.I think the ID of the Italian bird was mainly based (when discussing with coeligena) on jiizz (smaller head and fatter body, gait etc.), forehead and mostly on bill structure.Thanks again to all and a very formative discussion <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />Andrea PS. leaving in few days to S Sinai for raptors, but also several plovers ;-)</blockquote>

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