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Sandpiper ID Central NJ (1 Viewer)

NJBirder12

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Are either of these Western Sandpipers? There were 2 reported but unconfirmed at this location today. Several confirmed reports at this location in the past few weeks. The first 3 photos are of one individual, and the photos 4-5 are of another individual. Both looked to have longer somewhat drooping bills than the semipalmated peeps in the area. Thanks
 

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I would say none of these photos show Western Sandpipers.
All Semipalmated, judging from head pattern, pattern and colour of scapulars, and body shape.
 
I left the first comment about these being WESA, but now looking again I agree fully that they are SESA. Teach me to comment on bird identification late at night... It is interesting though - out here on the west coast, you would never see a SESA with bills this long and decurved. That is a trait of the eastern US's SESAs.
 
Do you have access to the Pedersen Field Guide Advanced Birding? at least the original version of this book has a chapter on comparing these two species.

Niels
 
I am surprised to disagree here, I have a lot of respect for the people who have weighed in here but I am pretty certain these are Western. The last bird 4&5 is most definitely a Western. The bill shape is tapered to a point at the tip. The shape is diagnostic and completely typical of Western. This is a reliable way to distinguish the two species. Furthermore the body shape is better for Western being more elongated and not as compact/proportionate as Semipalmated and the scapular & covert pattern is also better for western.

This is what eastern juvenile semis look like, take note of the covert scalloping. That’s the typical appearance. I see it 100s of times a day in August each year.
https://ebird.org/checklist/S73080673#_ga=2.133555912.736223524.1599712292-2106550533.1599712292

This is what juvenile Westerns look like in NJ, they can be variable with some individuals showing very orange bright scaps and others with duller tones like in this link (which looks extremely similar to the bird in original post)
https://ebird.org/atlasny/checklist...64.736223524.1599712292-2106550533.1599712292

These birds are both pretty far on the side of Western in terms of bill shape, especially the second one. And the plumage is just typical of Juvenile Western and not typical Of juvenile semi.
 
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Tom,
note, in the birds on ebird.org that you are referring to, the longer lower scapulars with thinner and more sharply defined anchor pattern, less extensive dark patch on ear coverts, less obvious eyering, whiter central breast, and also note that the rufous edges of the upper scapulars are clearly brighter than the crown.

In the bird(s) in the original post, the rufous edges are about the same brown colour as the crown, the lower scapulars (except for the odd winter feather already acquired) are quite short and are dominated by the dark anchor pattern (which is not as sharply defined), the pale eyering is very bold, the dark ear coverts form an extensive dark mask, and the breast centre is smudged with grey.

I don't see anything but Semipalmated Sandpipers in the original post.
 
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These are 5 more photos of the bird in photos 4-5. I included some size comparisons and a wing stretch. Thanks so much for the details - I hope these can shed some light.
 

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Western from a different location

I'd love to hear your opinion on this bird as well. Taken at Forsythe NWR where westerns are more common this time of year. The bill looks significantly longer that those in my first post and also details point to western. Sorry for the poor photo
 

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These are 5 more photos of the bird in photos 4-5. I included some size comparisons and a wing stretch. Thanks so much for the details - I hope these can shed some light.

I see nothing different (new) here compared with the others at the start of the thread. A nice pectoral sand in 4 too of course
 
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