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Scimitar babblers (1 Viewer)

Richard Klim

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Dong, Li & Yang 2010. Molecular systematics and diversification of the Asian scimitar babblers (Timaliidae, Aves) based on mitochondrial and nuclear DNA sequences. Mol Phyl Evol: in press.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...6bb25f3f0c1493c25978b19e1eec4d63&searchtype=a

Proposes lumping of Xiphirhynchus with Pomatorhinus [as IOC, following Gelang et al 2009];
and reassignment of Pomatorhinus erythrogenys (sensu lato) and P hypoleucos to Erythrogenys Hodgson 1836.

Richard
 
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Daniel Philippe

Well-known member
Proposes lumping of Xiphirhynchus with Pomatorhinus [as IOC, following Gelang et al 2009];
and reassignment of Pomatorhinus erythrogenys (sensu lato) and P hypoleucos to Erythrogenys Hodgson 1836.

... and the "new" Stachyris (after the traditional Stachyris was rearranged into four genera by Collar and Robson, 2007) nested in the Pomatorhinus/Erythrogenys clade.
 

Peter Kovalik

Well-known member
Slovakia
Sushma Reddy and Robert G. Moyle, 2011. Systematics of the scimitar babblers (Pomatorhinus: Timaliidae): phylogeny, biogeography, and species-limits of four species complexes. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, Early view. DOI: 10.1111/j.1095-8312.2010.01611.x
Abstract
 

Richard Klim

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Sushma Reddy and Robert G. Moyle, 2011. Systematics of the scimitar babblers (Pomatorhinus: Timaliidae): phylogeny, biogeography, and species-limits of four species complexes. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, Early view. DOI: 10.1111/j.1095-8312.2010.01611.x
Abstract
27 phylogenetic species from four traditional species!

Reminiscent of Reddy 2008 - 19 phylogenetic species from five Pteruthius species.
www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=153286

Richard
 

Richard Klim

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Phylogenetic species

Sushma Reddy and Robert G. Moyle, 2011. Systematics of the scimitar babblers (Pomatorhinus: Timaliidae): phylogeny, biogeography, and species-limits of four species complexes. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, Early view. DOI: 10.1111/j.1095-8312.2010.01611.x
Abstract
The revision of the four (or five including P [ruficolllis] musicus) species into phylogenetic species...

Hypoleucos group:
  • P hypoleucos
  • P tickelli (incl wrayi)
  • P brevirostris
  • P hainanus
Schisticeps group:
  • P leucogaster
  • P schisticeps (incl salimalii, cryptanthus)
  • P mearsi
  • P nuchalis
  • P fastidiosus
  • P klossi
Ruficollis group:
  • P ruficollis (incl godwini)
  • P bakeri
  • P similis (incl bhamoensis, albipectus)
  • P saturatus (incl beaulieui)
  • P reconditus (incl eidos, 'intermedius'/hunanensis, laurentei)
  • P stridulus (incl styani)
  • P musicus
  • P nigrostellatus
Olivaceus group:
  • P olivaceus (incl ripponi, difficilis)
  • P humilis
  • P annamensis
Ferruginosus group:
  • P ferruginosus
  • P formosus (incl phayrei)
  • P stanfordi (incl namdapha)
  • P albogularis
  • P orientalis
  • P dickinsoni
For comparison, Collar & Robson 2007 (HBW12):
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/species/large-scimitar-babbler-pomatorhinus-hypoleucos
ibc.lynxeds.com/species/white-browed-scimitar-babbler-pomatorhinus-schisticeps
ibc.lynxeds.com/species/streak-breasted-scimitar-babbler-pomatorhinus-ruficollis
ibc.lynxeds.com/species/taiwan-scimitar-babbler-pomatorhinus-musicus
ibc.lynxeds.com/species/coral-billed-scimitar-babbler-pomatorhinus-ferruginosus

Richard
 

Daniel Philippe

Well-known member
Ruficollis group:
  • P ruficollis (incl godwini)
  • P bakeri
  • P similis (incl bhamoensis, albipectus)
  • P saturatus (incl beaulieui)
  • P reconditus (incl eidos, 'intermedius'/hunanensis, laurentei)
  • P stridulus (incl styani)
  • P musicus
  • P nigrostellatus

I am lost. I do not see saturatus in H&M, HBW, Clements.
Isn't P. r. albipectus La Touche, 1923 older than P. r. similis Rothschild, 1926 ?
Isn't P. r. saturatus Delacour, 1927 a junior synonym of P. r. albipectus La Touche, 1923 ?

OK I have now read the paper and have found the explanation:
It is quite likely that the description of P. albipectus is based on immature plumage because the range of P. r. albipectus overlaps almost entirely with P. similis or P. saturatus
 
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Peter Kovalik

Well-known member
Slovakia
Pomatorhinus ruficollis

The revision of the four (or five including P [ruficolllis] musicus) species into phylogenetic species...

Ruficollis group:
  • P ruficollis (incl godwini)
  • P bakeri
  • P similis (incl bhamoensis, albipectus)
  • P saturatus (incl beaulieui)
  • P reconditus (incl eidos, 'intermedius'/hunanensis, laurentei)
  • P stridulus (incl styani)
  • P musicus
  • P nigrostellatus

    Richard
 

Peter Kovalik

Well-known member
Slovakia
SONG Rui,DONG Feng,LIU Lu-Ming,WU Fei,WANG Kai,ZOU Fa-Sheng,LEI Fu-Min, LI Shou, 2011. Preliminary discussion on the phylogenetic and taxonomic relationship of Pomatorhinus ruficollis. Zoological Research 2011 Vol. 32 (3): 241-247.
Abstract
Full article here.
 

Richard Klim

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Song et al 2011

SONG Rui,DONG Feng,LIU Lu-Ming,WU Fei,WANG Kai,ZOU Fa-Sheng,LEI Fu-Min, LI Shou, 2011. Preliminary discussion on the phylogenetic and taxonomic relationship of Pomatorhinus ruficollis. Zoological Research 2011 Vol. 32 (3): 241-247.
There seem to be a number of conflicts between the three identified clades and the phylogenetic species proposed by Reddy & Moyle 2011.
 

James Eaton

Trent Valley Crew
We need Frank Rheindt and James Eaton to do another BSC/PSC comparison, as they did following Sushma Reddy's Shrike-babbler study...

Keep your eyes out Richard, once a couple of other forthcoming vocal papers and a field guide are out of the way, then I'm very keen to look into this complex..

Cheers,

J
 

Shi Jin

Well-known member
Thanks Richard!

The BBBC is extremely grateful to you.

After a review of the literature, here follows The BBBC's first draft of its proposal for the taxonomic re-classification of the Scimitar Babbler complex, and its preferred nomenclature, as it affects The BBBC List of the Birds of China.

Presently: "Large Scimitar Babbler": Pomatorinus hypoleuco
Proposed splits:

Pomatorhinus tickelli Tickell's Scimitar Babbler south China

Pomatorhinus hainanus Hainan Scimitar Babbler Hainan


Presently "Streak-breasted Scimitar Babbler": Pomatorhinus ruficollis
Proposed splits:

Pomatorhinus similis (albipectus) Rothschild's Scimitar Babbler sw Sichuan (similis) and western Yunnan (albipectus)

Pomatorhinus ruficollis (godwini) Godwin's Scimitar Babbler se Xizang (godwini)

Pomatorhinus reconditus Bangs's Scimitar Babbler s, c, ad w China
(reconditus, eidos, hunanensis, laurentei) reconditus in se Yunnan; eidos is endemic to Emei Shan, Sichuan; hunanensis in c&s China; laurentei in nc Yunnan)

Pomatorhinus stridulus Strident Scimitar Babbler central China, inc Wuyi mountains

Pomatorhinus nigrostellatus Swinhoe's Scimitar Babbler Hainan


Presently "Coral-billed Scimitar Babbler": Pomatorhinus ferruginosus
Proposed splits:

Pomatorhinus ferruginosus Blyth's Scimitar Babbler SE Xizang

Pomatorhinus stanfordi Stanford's Scimitar Babbler westernmost Yunnan

Pomatorhinus orientalis Delacour's Scimitar Babbler se Yunnan


The BBBC is also considering an additional split as follows:

Pomatorhinus ferrugilatus Hodgson's Scimitar Babbler Torsa Chumbi Valley

Presently classified as Pomatorhinus Erythrogenys "Rusty-cheeked Scimitar Babbler" (4 sub-species)

The following Scimitar Babbler has not been recorded in China as far as The BBBC understands, but is a possible future vagrant:

Pomatorhinus olivaceus (ripponi) Rippon's Scimitar Babbler Hills of eastern Burma, therefore a POTENTIAL vagrant to south-western Yunnan

(Presently classified as "White-browed Scimitar Babbler")

The status of the following Scimitar-Babblers is unaffected:

Pomatorhinus erythrocnemis Gould's Scimitar Babbler Taiwan
(Formerly known as Black-necklaced Scimitar Babbler)

Pomatorhinus musicus Taiwan Scimitar Babbler Taiwan
(Formerly within Streak-breasted Scimitar Babbler complex)

Pomatorhinus gravivox Pere David's Scimitar Babbler
(Formerly known as Black-streaked Scimitar Babbler)
There are five sub-species in China:
gravivox c China
cowensae sc China
dedekensi e Qinghai and nw Yunnan
decarlei Qinghai, s Sichuan and nw Yunnan
odicus s china

Pomatorhinus swinhoei Grey-sided Scimitar Babbler s & se China

Pomatorhinus ochraceiceps Red-billed Scimitar Babbler
Two sub-species in China:
stenorhynchus in w Yunnnan
nominate ochraceiceps is resident in Xishuangbanna, Yunnan

Pomatorhinus superciliaris Slender-billed Scimitar Babbler Yunnan and perhaps se Xizang
perhaps 4 races in China
foresti w Yunnan
nominate superciliaris perhaps se Xizang
intextus perhaps se Xizang
rothschildi perhaps Jinping, se Yunnan

In its extensive research for this article, The BBBC unearthed several papers of interest to those interested in the history of avian taxonomy and nomenclature (related to the birds of China), including the following 1954 paper by Charles Vaurie, published by the American Museum of Natural History:

http://digitallibrary.amnh.org/dspa...ace/ingest/pdfSource/nov/N1669.pdf?sequence=1

Also ECS Baker's "Flora of British India", published in 1922 by the University of Southern California:

http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-e...birds-volume-1-ala/1-birds-volume-1-ala.shtml

Also Birds of Burma (72 page PDF of 2nd Edition published in 1953)
BERTRAM E. SMYTHIES
B.A., M.B.O.U.
Colonial Forest Service, late Burma Forest Service
With 31 Colour Plates by COMMANDER A. M. HUGHES, O.B.E., R.N.(retd.)

http://www.burmalibrary.org/docs13/Birds_of_Burma-ocr-to-op75-red.pdf

And

RECONNAISSANCE OF THE N'MAI HKA DRAINAGE, NORTHERN BURMA
BERTRAM E. SMYTHIES
B.A., M.B.O.U.
Published in Ibis in October 1949

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=B36AA1B7AF530B6C3D3E2A1E6532BB3F.d03t02


Best regards.


Shi Jin
 
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Richard Klim

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After a review of the literature, here follows The BBBC's first draft of its proposal for the taxonomic re-classification of the Scimitar Babbler complex, and its preferred nomenclature, as it affects The BBBC List of the Birds of China...
Now you just have to photograph them all... :t:

PS. ...including both Hodgson's Scimitar Babblers and both Blyth's Scimitar Babblers!

PPS. ...update: both now monospecific. ;)
 
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Shi Jin

Well-known member
Thanks Richard

It was well past last orders when the paper was completed....

In terms of the photography, the more the merrier.... the pending 7 additional species on The BBBC list could certainly help the photo-challenge.

Cheers.

Shi Jin

BTW If anyone is in Beijing tonight, The BBBC will be having another meeting on the subject (following the football, which kicks off at 10pm here).

The Venue is The Green Cap (yes, you've guessed, it's an Irish pub).
next to the Western Academy of Beijing
on Laiguangying Donglu
Just off Jing Mi Lu
J4 (Beigao exit) of the Airport Express Road.

Just ask Pat, the landlord, to point you in the direction of the chap who photographed the giant pics of Temminck's Tragopan and White-tailed Sea Eagles that are hanging on the wall there.

B :)
 
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Richard Klim

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BTW If anyone is in Beijing tonight, The BBBC will be having another meeting on the subject (following the football, which kicks off at 10pm here).
Sounds tempting, Shi Jin - tonight's meeting of the Beijing Birds & Beer Club will no doubt devote equal attention to the second of the club's major academic interests.

PS. Please keep us informed of any consequent taxonomic refinements...
 
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