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Message: <blockquote data-quote="andyb39" data-source="post: 3556821" data-attributes="member: 50378">I would say 7 and 11 are both female Turkestan.I'm puzzled by four other birds. Using the original numbering, surely neither 1 nor 4 is a female Turkestan - both look more like males. 1 has clean white underparts and a slightly contrasting rufous crown, but it has no black on the lores, the super is very weak and the white wing patch is scarcely visible. Could it be a bright Daurian? 4 has a wide super and contrasting rufous crown, but there's little black on the lores, not much of a wing-patch and the upperparts are surprisingly dark even after adjusting the image, giving it a slightly Brown Shrike-like appearance - I'm not sure how much of that is from the shadow of the tree.Two more I'm struggling with are 9, which I'm not sure is Daurian, although it probably is , and 13, which looks more like Turkestan with that broad white super and quite rich brown crown, but again has almost no black on the lores.</blockquote>