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Short review of the Swarovski 10x42 NL Pure (1 Viewer)

bockos

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around August 20, Swarovski was in the Czech Republic. I tried all three NL 8x, 10x and 12x .. I put the boss. I compared them with 10x50, 12x50, 8.5x42 fieldpro, 8x56SLC, 15x 56SLC..and I know what I saw ..for me 8x42 and 10x42 are magic .. with an output beam 5.25 and 4.2 ... 12x42 is also close .. but 8x42NL is very much me grabbed with its ease of viewing with this 5.3 output beam. and with the chief. I'm thinking of taking 8x42NL ... maybe next year 10x42NL ... and then 12x42 ... the three are one and complement each other 8x. 10x..12x..This is the best made as binoculars ever. Especially with the boss .
 

PeterPS

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around August 20, Swarovski was in the Czech Republic. I tried all three NL 8x, 10x and 12x .. I put the boss. I compared them with 10x50, 12x50, 8.5x42 fieldpro, 8x56SLC, 15x 56SLC..and I know what I saw ..for me 8x42 and 10x42 are magic .. with an output beam 5.25 and 4.2 ... 12x42 is also close .. but 8x42NL is very much me grabbed with its ease of viewing with this 5.3 output beam. and with the chief. I'm thinking of taking 8x42NL ... maybe next year 10x42NL ... and then 12x42 ... the three are one and complement each other 8x. 10x..12x..This is the best made as binoculars ever. Especially with the boss .

You've made me curious: what are the "boss" and "chief" you mentioned in your post?
 

bockos

Well-known member
I apologize for my poor English. I am using Google Translate. head of binoculars. stabilizes the image. rest on the forehead. 12x42NL with a head is more stable than 8x42NL without a head. I apologize for the bad translation. I compared 10x42NL with a head and 10x50fieldpro ... NL has more color and contrast and is more stable by hand. Wider is lighter. Тhe chief costs 130 euros
 
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PeterPS

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I apologize for my poor English. I am using Google Translate. head of binoculars. stabilizes the image. rest on the forehead. 12x42NL with a head is more stable than 8x42NL without a head. I apologize for the bad translation. I compared 10x42NL with a head and 10x50fieldpro ... NL has more color and contrast and is more stable by hand. Wider is lighter.

Many thanks for your clarifications. Your findings are of interest to me as I own the SVs 10x50 and 12x50 and I am currently facing the dilemma if the NL 10x42 and 12x42 could better them. It seems that you found the NL 10x42 to be better than the 10x50, at least in some respects. Also the fact that you found the 12x42 w/ the FHR to be more stable than the 8x42 w/o the FHR is also quite interesting.
 

Uhu74

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I apologize for my poor English. I am using Google Translate. head of binoculars. stabilizes the image. rest on the forehead. 12x42NL with a head is more stable than 8x42NL without a head. I apologize for the bad translation. I compared 10x42NL with a head and 10x50fieldpro ... NL has more color and contrast and is more stable by hand. Wider is lighter. Тhe chief costs 130 euros

No need to apologise my friend, your input is appreciated 😊
Looking forward to try the head rest, but it wasn't in stock at my dealer.
 

matt green

Norfolkman gone walkabout
How does the rubber feel?

Does it feel hard wearing or is it likely to need recovering after a relatively short time like some folks seem to experiance with more recent ELs..

Matt
 

bockos

Well-known member
I had a 15x56sLC which is very good for stars, Moon placed on a tripod. 10c50fieldpro, which is magic in the evening, the colors are a fairy tale, the output beam 5 .. but ..But it is not as stable by hand as the new Swarovski NL Pure binoculars with FHR The colors of the new NL Pure remind me a lot of Swarovski 10x50fieldpro colors seen after sunset sun ..the last 20 minutes of light in the evening. I personally am looking for binoculars to use by hand .because I'm more mobile ... and I found NL Pure with FHR for the best for me at the moment. first 8x42..then 10x42 and 12x42..they are a romantic tale for me ... I love Swarovski binoculars..also Zeiss and Leica and Nikon..but the new NL Pure are with the ease of SFZeiss and the contrast of Leica and the transparency of Swarovski EL and the color of Nikon. .
 

Chosun Juan

Given to Fly
Australia - Aboriginal
always a reason not to shell out USD$3000.00.. ! They will sell many many of these NL Pure no matter what all the chatter that comes from the online pro experts..

The heart wants what the heart wants ! :loveme:

And my heart sees no need to p** p** anyone else's buying decisions ...... YMMV :brains: :bounce:






Chosun :gh:
 

Chosun Juan

Given to Fly
Australia - Aboriginal
@chosun, are you really in doubt whether the 133m vs 140m will make a difference for raptor watching??? :eek!:
I bet you can't even spot the difference if you don't have them side by side.
I compared the NL's 133m FOV with my Nikon m7 8x30's 145m, and the difference looks not that big.

The focuser is fine, it will take about a quarter of a turn to go from 5 m to 500m. (my guestimation)
I don't think it is slow at all. I actually find it pretty much perfect.

I'm a bit surprised that people start speculating and drawing conclusions based on other people's opinions without even having looked through it.
Face it, the ideal binocular just doesn't exist, and likely never will.
Apologies if this sounds harsh, but I'm afraid that otherwise this thread will derail soon...

Gijs

I suppose we shall have to see ! Little Eagles do circle very tightly, and put on the most magnificent courtship displays ....
(Dennis can detect Fov differences far finer than a luxurious 7m ..... :)
AFov of the 133m 10x42 NL blitzes my 140m 8x though .

I will note though, that the 133m Fov of the 10x42 NL is exactly the same in real terms as that of the 8.5x42 SV .... so that's 1.5x mag for free ! :D

Well nearly - A bit less dof, a bit less EP, but all in all the 10x42 NL with it's sharp to the edge huge field, flat, bright transmission curve, and glasses friendly ER sounds like a nice step change in the offerings.

That focus speed you quoted is about what my bin does - and it only takes 1 turn from whoa to go ?! It's regarded as a fast focuser. I find that a very common focus range and experience.

Allbinos measured just under 2 turns from cf to infinity (about 700 degrees to be exact) on the NL .......wot gives ? :h?:







Chosun :gh:
 
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dries1

Member
The 15X56 is albeit an expensive glass for astro, but I have found no equal in that format, period.

Andy W.
 

Troubador

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@chosun, are you really in doubt whether the 133m vs 140m will make a difference for raptor watching??? :eek!:
I bet you can't even spot the difference if you don't have them side by side.

Gijs

Being able to spot the difference by just looking through the binos isn't really the point. When it comes down to practical birding, the question is, will the approx 11% increase in the area of view from 133m to 140m help with the kind of birds, and in the kind of situations, that you regularly encounter.

Personally I would say that I would rather have an extra 11% of area of view and be able to say it might help on some occasions than have 11% of area of view taken away and console myself by saying 'well, it only helped sometimes'. Anyway this is a decision for each user to decide for themselves and for sure fov isn't the only aspect that determines whether you will bond with a bino or not.

Lee
 

Uhu74

Well-known member
Being able to spot the difference by just looking through the binos isn't really the point. When it comes down to practical birding, the question is, will the approx 11% increase in the area of view from 133m to 140m help with the kind of birds, and in the kind of situations, that you regularly encounter.

Personally I would say that I would rather have an extra 11% of area of view and be able to say it might help on some occasions than have 11% of area of view taken away and console myself by saying 'well, it only helped sometimes'. Anyway this is a decision for each user to decide for themselves and for sure fov isn't the only aspect that determines whether you will bond with a bino or not.

Lee

Hi Lee,

As I am just a occasional birder, and no birding expert by any means, I really appreciate your opinion 🙂
Bigger is better for sure, but so is magnification in a lot of cases. There is always a tradeoff.

Let's not forget there is also a 8x variant with 159m when FOV is top priority. There is a choice.
I edited my post a bit, because with "you" I didn't actually mean Chosun, but more like anyone, or most people. Lost in translation I suppose ;) (I'm Dutch as you might know.)

You are right that it's for each user to decide what's most important, but when a big FOV is priority, I'd say a flat field is just as important to have a fully usable FOV.

This brings up a slight criticism on the 10x42 format, as I'm having difficulties to roam around in the huge FOV from the NL, whereas I didn't notice that in the smaller FOV, bigger EP in the EL10x50.

But in general, I like them a lot! Even saw some raptors with them today:king:

Kind regards,

Gijs
 

tenex

reality-based
This brings up a slight criticism on the 10x42 format, as I'm having difficulties to roam around in the huge FOV from the NL, whereas I didn't notice that in the smaller FOV, bigger EP in the EL10x50.
This will be an interesting point I'll want to hear more about from reviewers.
 

Chosun Juan

Given to Fly
Australia - Aboriginal
This brings up a slight criticism on the 10x42 format, as I'm having difficulties to roam around in the huge FOV from the NL, whereas I didn't notice that in the smaller FOV, bigger EP in the EL10x50.

I agree with Tenex.

This is an interesting point, and it will be even more interesting to find out why.

Due to their generous 'randpupille' design (we need the native speakers here! but I believe it translates roughly as 'margin of error' of the exit pupil bundle - ie. it is easier to see with less than perfect on-axis alignment or looking off centre) which in English I like to term 'eyeroamaboutability' ! o:D , the Swarovski SV's (and NL's too you would think) have this wonderful 'ease of view' quality to them.

I agree that the easiest view of any format or AFov is the 10x50 SV - it really is rather wonderful ! Also noteworthy, but to a somewhat lesser extent due to it's smaller exit pupil, is the 8x32 SV. In fact this is the most remarkable 4mm exit pupil design I have ever seen ! (even including bins of 4.125, 4.167, 4.2, or even 4.3mm EP designs and formats)

Are you able to compare how well you can 'roam around in the huge FOV (of) the NL' - the 10x42 NL model with it's 4.2mm Exit Pupil in comparison to the 12x50 SV, the 10x42 SV, and the little gem 8x32 SV (which I find easier to look around in than the 2 other SV's I just mentioned) ??

This would give a pretty good apples to apples comparison. Given that the AFov of the 10x42 NL is larger, if it can hang with or surpass those other ~4ish mm exit pupil SV models for 'eyeroamaboutability' then surely that is a good win :)






Chosun :gh:
 

arran

Well-known member
I had the chance to test my new 10X42 NL against my wife’s SV 8,5 X42 yesterday evening in open field with sun setting at 45°
Compared to the SV , the NL has no more glare problems!The behaviour against sunny conditions at various angles is about the same as the SV.
What surprises me every time is the huge FOV and point of gravity difference which is more towards the forehead.
microcontrast : no difference could be seen in these very conditions.
While holding the bins , the new NL shape is definitely an advantage
 

Troubador

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This brings up a slight criticism on the 10x42 format, as I'm having difficulties to roam around in the huge FOV from the NL, whereas I didn't notice that in the smaller FOV, bigger EP in the EL10x50.

Kind regards,

Gijs


Hi Gijs

One solution for the problem of finding it difficult to roam your eyes over the bigger fov would be to use your peripheral vision more. This can alert you to things that have arrived in the outer parts of the fov so that you can aim your binos directly at it. This doesn't stop your eyes from roaming over the area of the fov where it causes no problems but it would mean getting used to the idea of not routinely glancing directly at the extreme edge of the fov.

Forgive the long explanation if you know all of this already!

Best wishes
Lee
 

Dutchbirder64

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I had the chance to test my new 10X42 NL against my wife’s SV 8,5 X42 yesterday evening in open field with sun setting at 45°
Compared to the SV , the NL has no more glare problems!The behaviour against sunny conditions at various angles is about the same as the SV.
What surprises me every time is the huge FOV and point of gravity difference which is more towards the forehead.
microcontrast : no difference could be seen in these very conditions.
While holding the bins , the new NL shape is definitely an advantage

Same here. I really like the balance and ergonomics a lot. Congrats with your NL.
 

Bobalob

Member
First non technical impressions having come from the 10x42 SV to the 10x42 NL . Whoa, what is going on here ? as you first take in the enlarged field of view . I hadn't thought it would be such a big deal as you are focused on the centre but it does help to orientate you and avoids getting lost as well as picking up birds that enter the periphery.
I think the diopter adjustment is an improvement . Not going to get accidentally knocked and quick to adjust if sharing and setting can be seen at a glance. Buttery smooth focus wheel . Seems to be easier to hold them steady even without the forehead rest For the first time I'm finding them easier to use with glasses Normally I would push my glasses up on my forehead but I'm finding these easier to use with without the blackouts I had before. In a word superb and thanks to FocalPoint Optics for getting a pair so quickly and their friendly and helpful service
 

Dutchbirder64

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First non technical impressions having come from the 10x42 SV to the 10x42 NL . Whoa, what is going on here ? as you first take in the enlarged field of view . I hadn't thought it would be such a big deal as you are focused on the centre but it does help to orientate you and avoids getting lost as well as picking up birds that enter the periphery.
I think the diopter adjustment is an improvement . Not going to get accidentally knocked and quick to adjust if sharing and setting can be seen at a glance. Buttery smooth focus wheel . Seems to be easier to hold them steady even without the forehead rest For the first time I'm finding them easier to use with glasses Normally I would push my glasses up on my forehead but I'm finding these easier to use with without the blackouts I had before. In a word superb and thanks to FocalPoint Optics for getting a pair so quickly and their friendly and helpful service

Congrats with your NL too.
 

Uhu74

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@Lee, Thanks for the explanation, that's exactly how I use them in real life 🙂

What I was referring to, is that with the EL10X50 I got the feeling that I could roam around more easy in the full FOV without having blackouts when holding the bino's still. (For instance, astronomical use with a tripod.)
I have to say this is purely a subjective feeling, and unfortunately I can't compare it anymore because I have sold the EL10x50.

I have noticed that this seems more difficult with the NL, but again, this is all subjective.

@Chosun The "Peekability" of the NL is fantastic, just like all other Swaro's that I have had (SLC8x42, EL8x32 and EL10x50) or looked through (almost all other models:king:)
I guess the extra comfort generated by a big EP has spoiled me over the years ;)

Unfortunately I also can't make a direct comparison with for instance the EL8x32 (4mm EP) because I don't have it anymore.

Because all of the above had made me curious, I decided to do a quick exit pupil experiment 🙂

I grabbed my ATX85 with 1.7x magnifier added in between, and came to the conclusion that the EP has got nothing to do with "roamability", and that the eye relief seems to be a bigger factor in this regard.

Even with 100x magnification (0.85mm EP) it was very easy to cover the whole FOV by taking a bit more eye relief.
Of course, the bigger EP makes eye placement more easy, and provides more comfort.
When dialing the magnification down to minimum, the "roamability" remained the same.

Just for shits and giggles, I had put the NL on top of the ATX to use as a support, and I really was blown away by the NL's image quality.
It is really growing on me the more I use it.
Really happy with it.

Gijs
 

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