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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steve C" data-source="post: 1712910" data-attributes="member: 56622">oleaf,Here is the thing.  We have Doug posting a message saying what he'd heard, and no doubt reporting that just as he'd heard it.  It is just what he'd heard.  What I said is what I have heard.  It is nothing I can take to the bank.  One large clue you can get for yourself is to look at the cronology of who introduced their version of this binocular and when and ask why that introduction was done the way it was done.  You might come up with one.  I want to start no more rumor and in retrospect I realize I should have "just shut up" on that part of my post.  My point is just this I am not sure that Doug got the absolute straight of the story from the guys he talked to but did report the straight of what they said to him.Point is ZR is the new kid on the block, has caused some excitement, and  as far as I can tell the buzz has "buzzed off" some of the name brands (whoever it was that told Doug what they told him).  The whole point and probably all I should have said is that I think ZR has a better connection with the OEM than is apparrent.  I think ZR is viewed as more of a threat than some would believe or there would have been no point to any one telling Doug what they told him.  No motivation for that if ZR is not viewed as a threat IMO.</blockquote>