Sicily 09/2021, Harrier (1 Viewer)

[Lanugoh]

In September 2021 I took these pictures of a probably migratory harrier. My best suggestions are that they show eithar a Palid Harrier or a Montagu's Harrier, who can help?

 

[tconzemi]

Pro juvenile Monty: dark fingers, no bomerang on base of outer primaries, dark tipped inner primaries, lot of white around eye, cheek patch rather small, collar not joining below

 

[Deb Burhinus]

Difficult tbh on these images. Structurally, it looks a bit better for juvenile Montagu’s to me. P10 looks about the same length as P6 and in some of the images, the hand looks distinctly long. There is also a lot of white around the eye favoring Monty’s.

X Posted with Tom!!

 

[Lanugoh]

What made me hesitate idetifying it as Motagu's is that there is no continuous black line at the rear part of the wing. But migrating Montagu's has also a greater probability in the region I guess.

 

[lou salomon]

What made me hesitate idetifying it as Motagu's is that there is no continuous black line at the rear part of the wing. But migrating Montagu's has also a greater probability in the region I guess.

actually there is a dark trailing edge, best visible in pic 3; and lack of a clear trailing edge as a pro pallid feature applies only to inner primaries.

 

[Lanugoh]

Ok in my imagination that edge had to be thicker, but right now I feel quite convinced by Montagu's, thank you all!