black crow
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I'm really looking forward to this. I assume you will remove any personal bias with Windex before beginning.
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Sightron "Blue Sky" II 8x32 (1 Viewer)
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I'm really looking forward to this. I assume you will remove any personal bias with Windex before beginning.
No brand new EDG II for $10.00. They already shipped them. I have the tracking number. Get them Friday. Nikon has a great warranty.
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lilcrazy2
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Dennis
Who's diopter are you jerking with this yarn? Some of us didn't fall ou the back of the truck yesterday. As I read your posts:
On Thurs 1/5 you announce you have acquired the 8x32 Edg off ebay and state
On Friday, Saturday and Sunday you still have them in hand according to your posts, even writing a short review and never mentioning anything wrong or sending them back to Nikon. You even tell us they are "perfect binos".
On Monday 1/7 you post:
and
So you want us all to believe that you mailed the binos back to Nikon on Tuesday 1/10 and they received them, inspected them and mailed you a replacement on Wednesday 1/11???
And how come in all your post over 5 days there is no mention of anything wrong with the EDG's until now, when the mystery replacements suddenly are announced?
I mailed Nikon a pair of Binos on 12/2 and they received them on 12/5. After receiving and inspecting them, they emailed me on 12/8 with the service order number, and proposed course of action. How in the world have you managed to shorten this cycle to less than 36 hours???
Is there anything about this elaborate fairytale that strikes anyone but me as being simply beyond belief? I remember when we caught you in another fairytale.
So, it seems obvious to me that not all your posts can be true, so please enlighten me as to which are true and which are false, as the timeline says they all can't be true.
PLEASE DENNIS - STOP YANKING MY DIOPTER !
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black crow
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BUSTED???
If this is the case and true then how could an evaluation could be trusted?
If this is the case and true then how could an evaluation could be trusted?
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FrankD
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Wow...I never paid that much attention Tom but you are correct based on the information Dennis posted. My guess...the issue with the scratch on the lens was always there but Dennis did not want to post about it. He sent them to Nikon some time last week but did receive an email on the date he mentioned. Or maybe there never was a scratch on the lens but rather the often reported diopter issue was present. I have heard of them replacing EDG Is with the EDG II because of it.
I am surprised though that they replaced them for just a scratch on the lens. Wouldn't it have been more cost effective to just replace the lens? How much could that cost? Even it if it was $200-$300 then that is a heck of alot less expensive then sending out an entirely new $2000 binocular.
I am surprised though that they replaced them for just a scratch on the lens. Wouldn't it have been more cost effective to just replace the lens? How much could that cost? Even it if it was $200-$300 then that is a heck of alot less expensive then sending out an entirely new $2000 binocular.
I didn't notice the small scratch in the coating at first. You have to really look to see it. Yes, it would seem cheaper to me to replace the eye piece but I don't think Nikon has parts anymore for the EDG I so they just replace them with the EDG II. That is exactly what happened. I will take a picture of all three binoculars when I do the review. Do you want a picture of the repair receipt? I get the Sightron today. Trust me that's what happened. Here it is:
Shipped
01/10/2012
7563
700166
Service Repair Rank CK
CK
• IMPACT DAMAGE
• SCRATCH REAR RIGHT ELEMENT
• REPLACE PRODUCT
• RPL W/7568 N
$10.00 USD
FrankD
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Dennis,
I don't doubt that there was a scratch in the coating. These things happen. Many times a small scratch doesn't even affect optical performance. Personally, I probably wouldn't have even sent the binocular to Nikon unless it did, in some way, affect the viewing experience.
I think Tom's point was that it appeared a little misleading for these events to happen in the time frame that they did. If you had sent the binoculars in one day last week then it might make more sense.
I don't doubt that there was a scratch in the coating. These things happen. Many times a small scratch doesn't even affect optical performance. Personally, I probably wouldn't have even sent the binocular to Nikon unless it did, in some way, affect the viewing experience.
I think Tom's point was that it appeared a little misleading for these events to happen in the time frame that they did. If you had sent the binoculars in one day last week then it might make more sense.
?????
Someone suggested that the Sightron might be the same as as a Kenko model. Kenko is owned by Hoya who also own the Pentax brand. When I spoke to the UK distributor for Kenco, he told me that individual models were made in the Philippines, China, Japan and possibly elsewhere. Seems reasonable that Hoya/Kenko would run a common assembly plant for their own and other branded products. Sightron is listed as an affiliate.
http://www.kenkoglobal.com/profile.html
Optically, the only Kenko/Philippine model I've looked at was quite good, but the build was horrible. Just guessing but I suspect the glass is prepared elsewhere in the Hoya group.
David
http://www.kenkoglobal.com/profile.html
Optically, the only Kenko/Philippine model I've looked at was quite good, but the build was horrible. Just guessing but I suspect the glass is prepared elsewhere in the Hoya group.
David
lilcrazy2
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Frank
I find it very admirable of you to try to find justifications that Dennis can agree with, but it would appear that he can't speak for himself, but merely agree with the excuses others posit. Even on Sunday Brock is Encouraging him to post a review since he still has both binos in hand, to which Dennis starts a new thread. If he mailed them off last week, then just about every single post he made in 3 different threads is a bald faced lie.
Nikon never sent me a shipping notification when mine were shipped back. They just showed up one day when I was expecting a much heavier shipment, and I was so suspicious I was being scammed by another seller that I took pics of the box before I opened it and realized they were from Nikon.
I was kinda suspicious at first when he said he got them off ebay, as I haven't seen any auctions for any 8x32's or I would have bought them myself for a grand or less. After reading his review on Sunday, it seemed so plain vanilla and non specific that I had trouble believing that it was actually a review. No real in depth comparisons or specifics, just some general comments.
Besides Nikon's Service orders are 7 digits and mine was 5737200
And I certainly don't doubt that when Dennis sends us a pic now, that it will have an EDG II in it.
And if his review of the Sightron is as insightful as his review of the EDG - I think I'll just skip it.Tom
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
lilcrazy2
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Sightron is owned by the Japanes company Kenko, who has plants in both the Phillipines and China, and when I spoke to them about 2 months ago, they siad they sourced most of their parts from China, but I didn't get into specifics.
The people who man the phones at their NC facilty seem very knowledgeable about their operations, so you may give them a call and they may be able to answer your question. 919.562.3000
henry link
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Yes, anybody can buy glass from Hoya.
lilcrazy2
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Possibly even the ebay auction number, since if Dennis negotiated a sale, then the seller would have cancelled the auction as "item not available", but it would still show up in a search of the item number up to 60 days later.
You sent some Nikons in around the same time as me, so you know as well as I do how this all works.
Tom
"I'll believe that as soon as I finish eating this watermelon in my back pocket"
lilcrazy2
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Dennis the Menace
I found the auction from back around the 17th of December where you bought the 8x32 EDG, so accept my apology for wondering if you really had them in view of the other fantasy posts.
But since after 6 days of posts, it seems that the only ones that are true is the very first( where you announce you bought them) and last one where Nikon is sending you a replacement. All the posts in between seem to be the product of an overactive imagination, and a lesson in creative writing.
What would be wrong with merely informing us that you had bought some, sent them in for service, and would do a review after you got them back? Why this elaborate charade sucking everone in? Or is this part of the new persona where it is left up to us readers to seperate fact from fantasy?
By the way - good catch and buy!
I found the auction from back around the 17th of December where you bought the 8x32 EDG, so accept my apology for wondering if you really had them in view of the other fantasy posts.
But since after 6 days of posts, it seems that the only ones that are true is the very first( where you announce you bought them) and last one where Nikon is sending you a replacement. All the posts in between seem to be the product of an overactive imagination, and a lesson in creative writing.
What would be wrong with merely informing us that you had bought some, sent them in for service, and would do a review after you got them back? Why this elaborate charade sucking everone in? Or is this part of the new persona where it is left up to us readers to seperate fact from fantasy?
By the way - good catch and buy!
The EDG I is gone I sent it into Nikon for repair and they are sending me the new EDG II to replace it.
I am a perfectionist. Even if the scratch wouldn't affect the view I would know it is there and it would bother me. It worked out alright though. I got a new pair of EDG II's on the way for $750.00. That's a bargain right?
