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[BruceH]

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Also, when a large % of people who have compared the Swarovski SV and The Zeiss SF say they prefer the Swarovski's optics you should at least compare them before buying the SF.

That was responded to in post number 99. It is just an ambiguous unsubstantiated opinion and is no more valid than my opinion that says just the opposite is the case.

However here is a review that just came out from two experienced reviewers comparing the SF and SV EL products and they concluded:

The Zeiss SF comes out clearly on top.

Bird Watchers Digest July/August 2015
Battle of the Titans.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=307138

In order to keep this thread somewhat on topic, I would suggest you post any discussion over on the other thread.

I do agree it would be great to compare before purchasing, but that is not always possible. Plan B is to buy from a vendor with a good return policy.

I am still at a loss as to why you find it necessary to post in multiple unrelated threads suggestions that the SV is superior to the SF, escpecially considering that you have never seen an SF. Maybe you feel you have to be recognized as having whatever you consider is "best". If that is the case, then the SV EL is a great binocular and appears to be the best for you. Is everything better now?

 

[Hermann]

All I am saying when 7 people say they would choose the SV 8x32 as their binocular of choice if they could only have one you should take notice.

OK. If I were to choose only one binocular, it would be the Habicht 7x42. Anyone else?

Hermann

 

[John Dracon]

On the subject of lies. Disraeli was quoted as saying that there were three kinds liars: "plain liars, damn liars, and statisticians." I would include today a fourth kind, pollsters.

 

[jgraider]

I'd personally love to see a comparison between the EDG 8x32 and SV 8x32.

 

[Pinewood]

On the subject of lies. Disraeli was quoted as saying that there were three kinds liars: "plain liars, damn liars, and statisticians." I would include today a fourth kind, pollsters.

Hello John,

Pollsters are a subdivision of statisticians.

Happy bird watching,
Arthur

 

[Robert Wallace]

So soft data becomes hard data when there's enough of it?

Hard data can be measured. Dennis says 7 people would chose Swarovski 8x32 . This is measurable by simply counting the responses. Measuring opinion produces hard data. How significant is another matter.

 

[paddy7]

I guess the 'simple question' of the OP wasn't as simple as we might have hoped for. Zeiss FL 8x32 Victory by the way.

 

[paddy7]

Hard data can be measured. Dennis says 7 people would chose Swarovski 8x32 . This is measurable by simply counting the responses. Measuring opinion produces hard data.

So i was right then.....

 

[Maljunulo]

I guess the 'simple question' of the OP wasn't as simple as we might have hoped for. Zeiss FL 8x32 Victory by the way.

Which one?

 

[HighNorth]

So soft data becomes hard data when there's enough of it?

"You can't argue with success" vs. "follow the herd?"

 

[brocknroller]

'' There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."!

Who said that? Twain or Disraeli?

Let me expand on it: There are four kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, statistics, and the "pump and dump." :smoke:

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[Sancho]

Nikon EDG 8x42. I think. But that's just my opinion, and my opinions are fluid. If not totally unreliable.

 

[perterra]

Nikon EDG 8x42. I think. But that's just my opinion, and my opinions are fluid. If not totally unreliable.

Your opinions are normal, Dennis bases his opinions on what he is selling. I dont trust his statements to be anything other than self serving.

 

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I'd personally love to see a comparison between the EDG 8x32 and SV 8x32.

I did it already. The SV 8x32 is better. I sold my Nikon 8x32 EDG II for $1000 on Ebay.

 

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Correct.

 

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Hard data can be measured. Dennis says 7 people would chose Swarovski 8x32 . This is measurable by simply counting the responses. Measuring opinion produces hard data. How significant is another matter.

Very. When the people are Bird Forum members.

 

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OK. If I were to choose only one binocular, it would be the Habicht 7x42. Anyone else?

Hermann

Good optics but it was hard for me personally to get along with. ER and focus tightness difficulties.

 

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Who said that? Twain or Disraeli?

Let me expand on it: There are four kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, statistics, and the "pump and dump." :smoke:

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I said that. At least the pump and dump part.

 

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Nikon EDG 8x42. I think. But that's just my opinion, and my opinions are fluid. If not totally unreliable.

Sancho. I thought you were a Swaro Fan Girl? How could you?

 

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Your opinions are normal, Dennis bases his opinions on what he is selling. I dont trust his statements to be anything other than self serving.

I have had the SV 8x32 for two years and I have no intention of selling until I find something better. Anyway I don't think I have ever sold a pair of binoculars to a Bird Forum member outside of a Nikon 10x35 EII to Brock.