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<blockquote data-quote="Björn Bergenholtz" data-source="post: 3397059" data-attributes="member: 113430"><p><strong>Thanks Laurent!</strong></p><p></p><p>Wow! I love those replies of yours; rich, thorough and hard-to-oppose. Simply exemplary! :t:</p><p></p><p>We, you, apparently managed James to accept this guy (<a href="http://www.hbw.com/dictionary/key-to-scientific-names-in-ornithology?name=lamotti&=Apply" target="_blank"><u>here</u></a>) … I knew nothing about him before. You sure took us a bit, a far bit, further.</p><p></p><p>However, time for some last questions, or remarks (in this thread), following the same path (i.e. Justin's Paper, from 2015, link in Post #17) … and this Post might only be of interest for Justin (and the Staff of MNHN, of course) … this said, now let´s have a look at:</p><p></p><p><strong><em>moussieri </em></strong></p><p>● as in the Moroccan (alt. North-West African) endemic: Moussier's Redstart <em>Phoenicurus moussieri </em>OLPHE-GALLIARD 1852 (<a href="http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5489753h/f106.item.zoom" target="_blank"><u>here</u></a>) as "<em>Erithacus Moussieri</em>" a k a Coroneted Redstart Explained in today's <em>HBW Alive Key</em> as:<u><strong>Note</strong></u>: I see no reason to question James's claim what so ever, it seems logic, as the Type apparently was collected by this Jean Moussier, outside Oran in north-west of Algeria, but I got a bit confused by a sentence in Justin's Paper (for the year 1808, p.84): "<span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In 1808 some birds from Cayenne, Martinique and the U.S.A. were received from Jean Moussier (1795-1850)</span></span>" </p><p></p><p>It sure looks like the same guy, or … <strong><span style="color: blue">?</span></strong> But if so, how does it add up? Born in 1795, and already in 1808 sending birds from "Cayenne, Martinique and the U.S.A"<span style="color: Blue"><strong>!?</strong></span> However, either way, something's odd with the 1808 claim, isn´t it? It ought to quite rare with such a young collector. Or something´s wrong with the birth year itself?</p><p></p><p>The other option would (of course) be that it was a completely other Mr. Moussier that sent those birds from America?</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: RoyalBlue">Anyone know?</span></strong></p><p></p><p>And James, how come you´ve added the question mark on Jean Moussier's death year? It wasn´t present in your <em>Dictionary of Scientific Bird Names</em> (Helm, 2010) …? Any particular reason?</p><p></p><p>Just curious …</p><p></p><p>Björn</p><p><span style="color: White">---</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Björn Bergenholtz, post: 3397059, member: 113430"] [b]Thanks Laurent![/b] Wow! I love those replies of yours; rich, thorough and hard-to-oppose. Simply exemplary! :t: We, you, apparently managed James to accept this guy ([URL="http://www.hbw.com/dictionary/key-to-scientific-names-in-ornithology?name=lamotti&=Apply"][U]here[/U][/URL]) … I knew nothing about him before. You sure took us a bit, a far bit, further. However, time for some last questions, or remarks (in this thread), following the same path (i.e. Justin's Paper, from 2015, link in Post #17) … and this Post might only be of interest for Justin (and the Staff of MNHN, of course) … this said, now let´s have a look at: [B][I]moussieri [/I][/B] ● as in the Moroccan (alt. North-West African) endemic: Moussier's Redstart [I]Phoenicurus moussieri [/I]OLPHE-GALLIARD 1852 ([URL="http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5489753h/f106.item.zoom"][U]here[/U][/URL]) as "[I]Erithacus Moussieri[/I]" a k a Coroneted Redstart Explained in today's [I]HBW Alive Key[/I] as:[U][B]Note[/B][/U]: I see no reason to question James's claim what so ever, it seems logic, as the Type apparently was collected by this Jean Moussier, outside Oran in north-west of Algeria, but I got a bit confused by a sentence in Justin's Paper (for the year 1808, p.84): "[FONT="Book Antiqua"][SIZE="3"]In 1808 some birds from Cayenne, Martinique and the U.S.A. were received from Jean Moussier (1795-1850)[/SIZE][/FONT]" It sure looks like the same guy, or … [B][COLOR="blue"]?[/COLOR][/B] But if so, how does it add up? Born in 1795, and already in 1808 sending birds from "Cayenne, Martinique and the U.S.A"[COLOR="Blue"][B]!?[/B][/COLOR] However, either way, something's odd with the 1808 claim, isn´t it? It ought to quite rare with such a young collector. Or something´s wrong with the birth year itself? The other option would (of course) be that it was a completely other Mr. Moussier that sent those birds from America? [B][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Anyone know?[/COLOR][/B] And James, how come you´ve added the question mark on Jean Moussier's death year? It wasn´t present in your [I]Dictionary of Scientific Bird Names[/I] (Helm, 2010) …? Any particular reason? Just curious … Björn [COLOR="White"]---[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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