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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dantheman" data-source="post: 1270567" data-attributes="member: 32998">Cheers for the replies to my skua query. The scenario was a bit reversed however, in that I saw a pale phase bird with a distinct black chest band, but no pom was called. There were a few other more experienced observers present, although thinking back now I don't recall if much attention was paid by the others at the time, after Arctics called initially. (Other stuff probably happening too).Anyway, in the Collins, having had another look, 2nd summer Arctic is illustrated with a pretty distinct breast band (although not quite as black and demarcated as the Pom on the facing page), so happy to leave it as uncertain/Arctic unless it really is the case that Arctics really never have a black breastband . . .Cheers, Dan(EDIT:And the Collins illustrates this for Pom too (Not that it is the last word or anything <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> )</blockquote>