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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jos Stratford" data-source="post: 1710628" data-attributes="member: 12449">However, the majority of posters on the two threads, particularly the first, do not think the actions were reckless, certainly no more so than the advice given by the minority opposed to their actions.Without wishing to be personal, your attitude does not advance bird protection, quite the opposite. Not only does it basically slap the posters across the face for their attempts to help birds, hardly an endearing way to encourage possible future participation in bird conservation, etc, but also to casual readers of these threads, hit over the head with shouts of strict liability and automatic violation of the law, what are they going to do? Perhaps just leave the birds to die thinking it is not worth the effort, or worse act out of kindness but not take advantage of this forum to ask advice.Not only did the actions taken in the case of the Gnatcatchers in the first instance result in the birds surviving the night, which the poster thinks would have been unlikely given the number of cats in the garden, but I also think she did better than the advice given by yourself and humminbird. For these birds, a quiet overnight roost was certainly better than having the added stress of transport and handling via a rehabber.Incidently, as I understood the advice by Huminbird and yourself, the basic recommendation was pick the birds up and call a rehabber. Erm, given the law was then subsequently dictated,  then surely your advice still means they violate the precious law - unless you also recommend they leave the birds on the ground for the cat to eat while looking for a rehabber phone number, etc. (post 39, other thread: it is a "strict-liability" law, meaning that there is no requirement for law enforcement agencies to prove "intent" to violate the law. That is, if you are found in possession of a protected species or its parts or products, you are automatically in violation of the law)</blockquote>

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