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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fugl" data-source="post: 1712485" data-attributes="member: 816">Hi Jaco—no problem about wading in late & I will bow to your more up-to-date knowledge of primate taxonomy (I did a quick google & sure enough the old pongidae would appear to be paraphyletic as you say).  My point about the accuracy of referring to humans as “hairless apes” still stands, however; one just has to clamber a little further out on the family tree:Genus Homo (?& related genera) = HumanGenera Pan, Gorilla & the rest = Ape.And, of course, regardless of the taxonomic position, “ape” has been well-established as an insult in English for generations.</blockquote>