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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steve C" data-source="post: 3168578" data-attributes="member: 56622">The real reason behind the thread is nothing more than my interest in optics.  That is the reason for my forum membership and participation.  The trigger for the post is however partly related to the thread I started here on Maven.  Also part of the trigger is found on a Maven thread on 24 Hour Campfire in the Hunting Optics section.  The trigger is/was comments about Chinese knock offs.  While the Maven site clearly says their partner is Japanese with years of longevity, the knee jerk reaction is for somebody to pop off about how it has to be Chinese. Not just Maven, it happens in anything that falls outside of somebody's perception of what a real optic is. So while the trigger is found in the Maven threads, it is not related to an interest in Maven.  My interest in Maven is nothing more than an extension of my interest in optics, as is this thread.So this always gets into the discussion of who makes it and where is it made, and the inevitable assertion that most places just buy stuff off the shelf of a real factory and just sell that.  A lot of that is nothing more than ignorant hot air that does nothing but further confuse a confusing topic.I've had this thought for a thread in mind for some time.  I would simply like to know what people's perceptions of binocular manufacture are.  Maybe some clarity will emerge.  Maybe not.</blockquote>